Possible move from Bay Area to San Diego. Would you do it? (San Jose: home, neighborhood)

[elchevere]

Not the same and agree, sports oriented though not as passionate as the hate of Giants fans towards LAD....and I never found people from the East Bay who hated going into SF or SF residents going into nicer parts of East Bay (there was dislike/avoidance of going into poor neighborhoods such as Richmond or downtown Oakland, San Leandro but not nicer areas such as Claremont, Montclair, Piedmont, Berkeley, Lafayette, Walnut Creek, etc)...and, of course, people from the entire area, including SF, do go to Oakland to catch the Warriors and East Coast transplants living in the area show up for Yankee or Bosox games v The A's without qualms.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by elchevere

Not the same and agree, sports oriented though not as passionate as the hate of Giants fans towards LAD....and I never found people from the East Bay who hated going into SF or SF residents going into nicer parts of East Bay (there was dislike/avoidance of going into poor neighborhoods such as Richmond or downtown Oakland, San Leandro but not nicer areas such as Claremont, Montclair, Piedmont, Berkeley, Lafayette, Walnut Creek, etc)...and, of course, people from the entire area, including SF, go to Oakland to catch the Warriors.

There are definitely people in the East Bay who have no interest in visiting SF and rarely do. And there are people in SF who can't fathom the thought of crossing the Bay Bridge. Not saying it's that significant but its there. Have you lived in the East Bay? I thought you mentioned just living in Marin County.

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by sav858

It's certainly more so than Long Beach is to OC, which is not one at all. The county's cultural amenities/attractions, sports venues, transit system, etc..are all concentrated in downtown and the surrounding central core. I'm surprised you can't see the function that downtown and central core serve for the region versus what Orange County has, or doesn't in this case.

Ok, then OC has Irvine Spectrum and Disneyland. It's the same thing it just looks different. A bunch of people go to the same place at the same time and buy stuff and eat food and walk around and spend money. Downtown SD is just as ersatz as anything in OC. Alas Downtown SD is not the cultural touchstone it would like to be.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

Ok, then OC has Irvine Spectrum and Disneyland. It's the same thing it just looks different. A bunch of people go to the same place at the same time and buy stuff and eat food and walk around and spend money. Downtown SD is just as ersatz as anything in OC. Alas Downtown SD is not the cultural touchstone it would like to be.

It's not the same thing at all. Really an outdoor mall and a theme park is the same thing as an urban center/core? I guess Downtown SF is pretty much the same as Disneyland and Irvine Spectrum too with that logic.

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by sav858

It's not the same thing at all. Really an outdoor mall and a theme park is the same thing as an urban center/core? I guess Downtown SF is pretty much the same as Disneyland and Irvine Spectrum too with that logic.

Downtown SD is not San Diego's urban core. It's an outdoor mall and entertainment district (theme park), now with an exclusive high end rental and condo district. 100 years ago, it was San Diego's urban core. Now it's a place where people go on vacation and instead of looking at mickey mouse they get hammered and look at sunsets

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

Downtown SD is not San Diego's urban core. It's an outdoor mall and entertainment district (theme park), now with an exclusive high end rental and condo district. 100 years ago, it was San Diego's urban core. Now it's a place where people go on vacation and instead of looking at mickey mouse they get hammered and look at sunsets

Then what is?

And I'm referring to surrounding neighborhoods too when I say urban core.

People go shop and dine in Downtown SF so it's basically the Irvine Spectrum right? It even has offices like Downtown SF. That's the logic you're using there.

[elchevere]

throw in South Coast Plaza and the adjoining Performing Arts Center and Disneyland/Anaheim would also include Downtown Disney and a 'sports/entertainment complex' consisting of Angels Stadium and The Pond....certainly spread out, no one main central consolidated area nor mass transit along the lines of a trolley system, and no 'central' or major urban park like Balboa Park.....then again, what is the population of downtown San Diego--30,000...35,000?

[sav858]

Originally Posted by elchevere

throw in South Coast Plaza and the adjoining Performing Arts Center and Disneyland/Anaheim would also include Downtown Disney and a 'sports/entertainment complex' consisting of Angels Stadium and The Pond....certainly spread out, no one main central consolidated area nor mass transit along the lines of a trolley system, and no 'central' or major urban park like Balboa Park.....then again, what is the population of downtown San Diego--30,000...35,000?

And this area basically functions the same as Downtown SF too. It's amazing how similar everything in CA is.

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by sav858

Then what is?

And I'm referring to surrounding neighborhoods too when I say urban core.

People go shop and dine in Downtown SF so it's basically the Irvine Spectrum right? That's the logic you're using there.

SD doesnt have an urban core... it's the whole area from the border to the 52. People dont go to one place, they go to a lot of different places, esp depending on age / interests. Some people go to PB, I never go there. Some people think OB is better than PB, they never would go to Downtown, etc. All of SoCal is like this. LA too, people go out in their own cities and adjacent cities and occasionally may go to LA proper or some big event once in a while, like an art museum or a street festival or whatever. Downtown LA isn't the urban core of LA, it's an up and coming area with new housing and is only just emerging from pioneer stage. Hollywood isn't the "center" it's just one place along a long street with lots of ther pretty similar but different areas with their own restaurants and their own everything. There are "downtowns" all over LA... Pasadena, West LA, Hollywood, if you're Indian you go to Artesia etc. Too many to list. OC, SD are same just smaller scale. All sprawl, a big mush.

SF analogy is different, it's less sprawled out and SF is also very much a tourist/entertainment district too, but since it has a lot of housing units it's unique in CA, it's more like NY or Boston where the commercial, cultural and residential districts are historically all in one very dense setting.

And yes, a historic setting for a mall that happens to sit on city streets (i.e. SoHo NYC) is still a mall. In 100 years Otay Towne Center will be historic district.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

SD doesnt have an urban core. People dont go to one place, they go to a lot of different places, esp depending on age / interests. Some people go to PB, I never go there. Some people think OB is better than PB, they never would go to Downtown, etc. All of SoCal is like this. LA too, people go out in their own cities and adjacent cities and occasionally may go to LA proper or some big event once in a while, like an art museum or a street festival or whatever. Downtown LA isn't the urban core of LA, it's an up and coming area with new housing and is only just emerging from pioneer stage. Hollywood isn't the "center" it's just one place along a long street with lots of ther pretty similar but different areas with their own restaurants and their own everything. There are "downtowns" all over LA... Pasadena, West LA, Hollywood, if you're Indian you go to Artesia etc. Too many to list. OC, SD are same just smaller scale. All sprawl, a big mush.

SF analogy is different, it's less sprawled out and SF is also very much a tourist/entertainment district too, but since it has a lot of housing units it's unique in CA, it's more like NY or Boston where the commercial, cultural and residential districts are historically all in one very dense setting.

Well it does and pretty much every scholar, urban/city planner, etc..would agree that SD has a defined urban core. You seem to think because it's rather weak, which is understandable, that it doesn't have one. How is people going to a bunch of different places different than anywhere else? You think most people in the Bay Area go to downtown SF?

The analogy you used is over simplified and SF is the same as the Irvine Spectrum based on the reasoning you used. So because SF is denser that somehow changes how people shop and dine there?

SD is different than Orange County because it's tourist/entertainment district is in a denser setting with a denser population than what you consider OC's equivalent. You see what I did there?