KTVU vid of brazen hold up at El Cerrito Little Caesar's store (Oakland: violent crime, home)

[04kL4nD]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

NYC became safe because of stop and frisk and buying homeless one way tickets out of the city...

And?

It also has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. That ridiculous claim made earlier about the Northeast being a liberal mecca for gun violence is BS. The poster didn't even realize that Cleveland skews more right than left.

[Devon011]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

St. Louis should move to Illinois: It doesn’t belong in Missouri anymore.

Interesting article I read the other day. It's really not surprising that gun violence is out of control in St. Louis given how lax its gun laws are in MO. It's scary that people actually think that having MORE unfettered access to guns will mean a decrease in violence. Mind boggling, actually. But the most staunch supporters of the second amendment I know aren't really concerned about facts or common sense. They're only concerned with themselves and think the world revolves around them, and their paranoia about everyone coming to get them with guns reveals a lot about the way they view the world and humanity.

The gun violence in St Louis just recently went out of control and the majority of it is in the lower income area such as North St Louis City. Most of the shooting are criminals shooting each other. It's also not as bad as people make it. When any article talk about St Louis and crime, they make it seem like it is the entire St Louis area.

[04kL4nD]

Just recently?

Are you kidding? It's been one of the most violent cities in America for decades, regularly swapping places with cities like Detroit, New Orleans, Oakland, and Baltimore on the FBI's most violent cities list.

I'm one of the biggest boosters of Oakland on this site, and even though crime and murders have gone down in Oakland recently, everyone knows that these cities have had huge problems with gun violence. Why these cities are particularly plagued with gun violence isn't a simple red/blue issue. As I stated earlier, it's way more complicated than y'all are making it out to be.

[Devon011]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

Just recently?

Are you kidding? It's been one of the most violent cities in America for decades, regularly swapping places with cities like Detroit, New Orleans, Oakland, and Baltimore on the FBI's most violent cities list.

I'm one of the biggest boosters of Oakland on this site, and even though crime and murders have gone down in Oakland recently, but everyone knows that these cities have had huge problems with gun violence. Why these cities are particularly plagued with gun violence isn't a simple red/blue issue. As I stated earlier, it's way more complicated than y'all are making it out to be.

It wouldn't have been one of the most violent cities in America for decades because even the FBI admits that when they collect data about St Louis it is not counting the entire (2.9m) St Louis area. They only count the City of St Louis (300k) which is a flawed stat. Yes recently. Gun shooting/crime had been down previous years. I know what St Louis issues are because it is where I lived for quite some time and where some of my family lives right now.

http://explorestlouis.com/st-louis-crime-rates/

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

And?

It also has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. That ridiculous claim made earlier about the Northeast being a liberal mecca for gun violence is BS. The poster didn't even realize that Cleveland skews more right than left.

I'll say it again, there is no evidence that having strict or lax gun laws lower crime rates, there are so many other variables to it. So with that being said, I personally would rather be able to own a gun and be able to use it in a life or death situation vs not being able to own one or use it.

[04kL4nD]

OK, but a lot of us don't want to carry a gun and would prefer that you didn't go around vigilante style itching to stop crime whenever a threat arises. I get the need for YOU to feel safe, but how does that trump everyone else's need to feel safe in public. Keep a gun at home all you want, but toting it around so you can feel safe is pretty selfish, if you ask me.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

OK, but a lot of us don't want to carry a gun and would prefer that you didn't go around vigilante style itching to stop crime whenever a threat arises. I get the need for YOU to feel safe, but how does that trump everyone else's need to feel safe in public. Keep a gun at home all you want, but toting it around so you can feel safe is pretty selfish, if you ask me.

How does someone carrying a concealed gun make you fell less safe? You don't even know who is carrying a gun. Almost 5% of adults have a ccw permit, you probably walk by someone with a concealed weapon every day you leave your house. It is a miracle you are alive to tell your story.

Your feelings are not more important than someone else's feelings, sorry if finding this out hurts you. Frankly, I do not care what you or others feel or think, just as I don't expect you or others to care about how I feel or think. I can make the decisions that I feel are best for me, you can make the decisions that you think are best for you; it is when you start wanting to make decisions for me that we have a problem.

[Bisaro TMF]

Studies have shown over and over again, people who walk around with concealed guns are more likely to get involved in conflict. Road Rage incidents, somebody bumps into you, an argument breaks out, guy pulls out a gun etc. All these scenarios happen daily and if everybody was walking around with a gun. They would be trying to show how tough they are by pulling it out.

[Bisaro TMF]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

I was hoping one of those customers was going to pull out a concealed weapon and make the world a slightly better place... although, Bay Area-ians would probably then riot and rob 20 stores and then hold a memorial service for the gunmen.

Just like other members on here who pretend they are black to spew racist trash, you consistently throw out right wing talking points and hide behind the "I vote democrat" line. Right.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Bisaro TMF

Studies have shown over and over again, people who walk around with concealed guns are more likely to get involved in conflict. Road Rage incidents, somebody bumps into you, an argument breaks out, guy pulls out a gun etc. All these scenarios happen daily and if everybody was walking around with a gun. They would be trying to show how tough they are by pulling it out.

You are woefully wrong. People with a ccw permit are actually six times less likely to commit a crime than a police officer.
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...ted-States.pdf

Maybe it is time to learn about the subject instead of continue the false blood in the street narrative.