KTVU vid of brazen hold up at El Cerrito Little Caesar's store

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by neutrino78x

Yes but martial arts is more useful. With a gun, your two choices are do nothing or kill the person. In the situation that is the topic of this video, it could have been resolved without killing anyone if someone had used martial arts to subdue the gunman.

Bruce Lee said that weapons are limiting. If somebody has a knife, you're thinking about running, blocking, striking him, etc., whereas all he can he can do is stab you with the knife.



No they don't. The factors are skill and speed and focus. You don't have to be muscular to fight.



Because that's not true. I have personally fought larger and strong adversaries using martial arts.



What's your point? If a bad guy came in my house and I was in a different room, I would simply leave and call 911. Or use martial arts to defend myself if that wasn't an option.

When everyone is trained like Bruce Lee you will have a point.

[dalparadise]

Based solely on a sampling of this thread on CD, I'm convinced that everyone on the Peninsula is a gun nut, a karate weirdo, in middle school, or some combination of all of these. Weird, guys. Seriously.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by dalparadise

Based solely on a sampling of this thread on CD, I'm convinced that everyone on the Peninsula is a gun nut, a karate weirdo, in middle school, or some combination of all of these. Weird, guys. Seriously.

...versus someone that tells everyone, "I will bend over if you confront me or anyone around me" or "feel free to do or take whatever you want from me or anyone around me"

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

When everyone is trained like Bruce Lee you will have a point.

You wouldn't have to have Bruce Lee's martial arts knowlege to stop the incident we are discussing in this thread without using a gun, though. I don't know any Jeet Kune Do (the martial art invented by Bruce Lee) and I only did Taekwondo for two years.

As I said, the gunman's back was turned to the couple. So the man in the couple could have used that opportunity to rush him and take control of the hand with the gun while he hit him repeatedly in the kidney. That's an easy target when the person's back is turned to you. Your kidneys are in your lower back. When you get hit there it HURTS, and it also causes severe damage to your body if done repeatedly. He could also have put him in a headlock or any number of other things.

[neutrino78x]

I don't know that a gun would have helped there anyway, because the couple was in a shocked mental state. If the guy wasn't shocked by the attack he could have done something without a gun, and the shocked mental state would probably have prevented him from shooting the bad guys. Plus it would make it easier for the second bad guy to shoot him, whereas if he has the first bad guy in a headlock or something, the second bad guy doesn't have a clear shot to shoot the good guy without killing his fellow bad guy.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by neutrino78x

You wouldn't have to have Bruce Lee's martial arts knowlege to stop the incident we are discussing in this thread without using a gun, though. I don't know any Jeet Kune Do (the martial art invented by Bruce Lee) and I only did Taekwondo for two years.

As I said, the gunman's back was turned to the couple. So the man in the couple could have used that opportunity to rush him and take control of the hand with the gun while he hit him repeatedly in the kidney. That's an easy target when the person's back is turned to you. Your kidneys are in your lower back. When you get hit there it HURTS, and it also causes severe damage to your body if done repeatedly. He could also have put him in a headlock or any number of other things.

So what is some with a handicap supposed to do? Hit them in the shins with their wheel chair? How about someone over 60? A hundred pound women? Someone who has a sprained ankel and cannot close the 20 foot gap quick enough?

Your plan only works in ideal conditions, self defense with a firearm works in less than ideal conditions. Strange enough, people are rarely in ideal conditions.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by neutrino78x

I don't know that a gun would have helped there anyway, because the couple was in a shocked mental state. If the guy wasn't shocked by the attack he could have done something without a gun, and the shocked mental state would probably have prevented him from shooting the bad guys. Plus it would make it easier for the second bad guy to shoot him, whereas if he has the first bad guy in a headlock or something, the second bad guy doesn't have a clear shot to shoot the good guy without killing his fellow bad guy.

You see, people who get ccw permits often train with guns and mentally prepare for bad situations. It is what responsible individuals do. Basing policy for 30 million people on the reaction to the people in this video is silly at best.

Not everyone is going to have a permit, but those who choose to should be allowed.