New Seattle Waterfront? (Vancouver, Kirkland: casinos, restaurants, shops)

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Originally Posted by Jalhop

Yes, the nicer it's made the more it will be a haven for the homeless, hence less a haven for the rest..

Why? I don't get this logic.

[Jalhop]

Originally Posted by HandsUpThumbsDown

Why? I don't get this logic.

A nicer waterfront with grass areas drawing more tourists will naturally draw in more homeless folk to panhandle those tourists and sleep on the grass.

[Prince Mongo]

Lazy river

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Originally Posted by Jalhop

A nicer waterfront with grass areas drawing more tourists will naturally draw in more homeless folk to panhandle those tourists and sleep on the grass.

So I suppose the option here is to build something especially ugly and useless, so nobody uses it, thus keeping out the homeless.

[Vinylly]

Originally Posted by Ira500

There was a biking/hiking trail from Bell St to King...Without the viaduct, there's room for that and a streetcar. They co-existed before for years while the viaduct was still standing. No reason they couldn't do it with more space available.

What I heard on KOMO News, they will start construction of a new sea wall this summer, I assume it will be further out then the existing one. Merchants in the area of very concerned about the interruption of their business because of the congestion. So, we got ferry traffic, cruise ship traffic and it looks like the city is planning more then a tree lined bike trail, but instead one big tourist attraction. The ferris wheel is just the beginning.

[Jalhop]

Originally Posted by HandsUpThumbsDown

So I suppose the option here is to build something especially ugly and useless, so nobody uses it, thus keeping out the homeless.

"Ugly and useless" is exclusive living space. A prime example is the gas works at Gas Works Park. The best option for a US downtown core (given unchanging societal attitude toward homelessness) is probably where the public spaces don't easily allow for loitering or sleeping, an example being the Klondike Gold Rush Museum.

[Hemlock140]

Originally Posted by Jalhop

A nicer waterfront with grass areas drawing more tourists will naturally draw in more homeless folk to panhandle those tourists and sleep on the grass.

Just take a look at Victor Steinbrueck Park at 7am. I expect that the design will not be based on whether or not the homeless will congregate. It's to bring more tourists and higher priced view condos (more tax money). Thus far the homeless have not seemed to affect tourism. I overhear remarks all the time but they continue to come. The seawall replacement project has already started, if you go down Alaskan you will see utility work going on. The real disruptive work will be done between September 2013 and spring 2016. The replacement is expected to last 100 years so at least we won't have to go through it again.

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by Jalhop

A nicer waterfront with grass areas drawing more tourists will naturally draw in more homeless folk to panhandle those tourists and sleep on the grass.

why don't they get kicked out by the police?

[sean98125]

"So I suppose the option here is to build something especially ugly and useless"

We already have the EMP

[Hemlock140]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

why don't they get kicked out by the police?

The police take a very "hands off" attitude toward the homeless, you can see them panhandling right in front of a policeman.