07-19-2016, 03:16 PM
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Louisville has no pull for Yankees. Most of my Northern counterparts had no idea where it even is or what significance it has. Most people that move to Louisville are rural Kentuckians who want better opportunity away from a poor and depressed state. If anything the city gets more Southern with time.
Indiana is next door but Southern Indiana ESPECIALLY Jeffersonville, New Albany, and Clarksville identify with the South. Even people from other parts of Indiana don't see them as brethren.
Louisville is not seen as Midwest by neighboring cities. Indy people don't see Louisville as a fellow Midwest city. Cincy people don't either. They see it as the South. Louisville may have people who identify with the Midwest but the Midwest just looks at them funny .
I have to agree about rural KY. Last year when we moved to FL on our way down we spent the night somewhere in the Jackson Purchase area of KY. Don't remember the town or county but it was a but south of Paducah in between Murray and Benton areas, maybe just under a half hour from KY Lake. The town was very depressing, a lot of abandoned hotels/motels and small strip malls. You could tell the economy was bad around there, little factory work or industry and the roads were in terrible shape as well. Simply no Tax Revenue being generated to fix the infrastructure obviously and it was a dry county and they were trying to vote to end it though. Locals were nice though and didn't run into any rude people but it was sad seeing how little infrastructure and money them people have.
Would you say it's as bad as Missouri where people from KC and Stl think the southern Missouri Ozarks and the Bootheel are a totally different planet? Many people look down on the bootheel and the Ozarks as being rednecks and hicks that belong with Arkansas. heck it was like that are the start of the civil war between Stl and rural MO.
I'm not shocked about the bordering counties in IN you listed are pretty southern. Just like southern IL around the Ohio river around Cairo, and Metropolis is pretty Southern as well and not Midwestern. Indiana is second behind Missouri for most southern influenced Midwestern state. Missouri is the only Midwestern state that some people still ask if it's southern or Midwest as we see the debates on city data for years now. We don't see that with Kansas or Indiana being asked if it's a southern or Midwestern state. Then again IN wasn't a slave state, border state, never claimed by the Confederacy or has 25 percent of the state that is truly in the South like Missouri is. I'd say IN maybe 5-10 percent of it is pure southern and 20 percent transition zone while MO is 25 percent Southern and 25 percent transition zone which means 50 percent of the state overall is either located in the south or within the transition zone. While IN might have those counties listed that are pretty southern, none of the counties in IN can compare to the Missouri Bootheel though.
07-19-2016, 05:03 PM
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Man, this horse is long dead and beginning to smell -- not like those at the Kentucky Derby, either. Put away the whips. St. Louis is not southern in this day and age. Go get a brain sandwich, a concrete or some toasted ravioli and a beer. Enjoy the city's unique history and diverse heritage ... all things and all places change over time.
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I agree it's not a southern city anymore. Maybe the debate should be what influences are left. As another forum user put it there are still some slight traces, influences left though but not a lot. is Can't forget about Governor Sterling Price's grave. Beautiful piece of work for a great man. Came to the defense of Missouri when called upon despite his men many times being outnumbered and equipped with outdated weapons put up tough battles.
And there SunGrins, is the answer to why this horse will never completely die. Onegoal (now calling himself MOforthewin) has been beating this dead horse for years and I figured this thread would draw him out of hibernation. He has been banned from this forum too many times to count so we will see how long he can keep this thread at the top of the board.
07-19-2016, 05:11 PM
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And there SunGrins, is the answer to why this horse will never completely die. Onegoal (now calling himself MOforthewin) has been beating this dead horse for years and I figured this thread would draw him out of hibernation. He has been banned from this forum too many times to count so we will see how long he can keep this thread at the top of the board.
I'm a little ticked that when I move away from Missouri, MO lawmakers pass permit less conceal carry while here in FL I'm stuck with worse carry laws such as no open carry,and down here you must use a FL permit unlike in MO you can carry on any states permit regardless if you're a resident. I had 3 ccw permits when I lived in MO. One the veto is overrode they will also have lifetime ccw permits in MO. Here in FL the republicans wouldn't pass open carry again. I need reps down here like Eric Burlison, and senator Schaeffer. I hate the RINOS here.
07-19-2016, 05:16 PM
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I'm a little ticked that when I move away from Missouri, MO lawmakers pass permit less conceal carry while here in FL I'm stuck with worse carry laws such as no open carry,and down here you must use a FL permit unlike in MO you can carry on any states permit regardless if you're a resident. I had 3 ccw permits when I lived in MO. One the veto is overrode they will also have lifetime ccw permits in MO. Here in FL the republicans wouldn't pass open carry again. I need reps down here like Eric Burlison, and senator Schaeffer. I hate the RINOS here.
Is St. Louis a southern city? We know Missouri is a backwards state!
07-19-2016, 05:28 PM
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Is St. Louis a southern city? We know Missouri is a backwards state!
How does that make Missouri backwards passing permit less concealed carry? Why should one have to pay a TAX to BEAR arms? Where does the US or MO constitution say that? US constitution says shall not be infringed. Needing to wait for a permit is doing just that. You shouldn't need a permit to do it. Btw you know ironic but it's southern democrats post civil war that made laws against open and concealed carry? In Missouri when southern democrats got back into power after state level reconstruction (drake constitution) they outlawed concealed and open carry in MO.
No, St. Louis is modern context is NOT a southern city. It only has some slight traces left as others have stated in this thread.
With Missouri passing it, hopefully nearby TN passes it too. If the veto is not overrode this year, it should pass next year because even Chris Koster wasn't against SB656 he said. You need permit less carry in a dangerous city like Memphis!
07-19-2016, 05:30 PM
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Is St. Louis a southern city? We know Missouri is a backwards state!
Backwards maybe but not Southern. St. Louis is not Southern.
07-19-2016, 05:33 PM
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Backwards maybe but not Southern. St. Louis is not Southern.
parts of MO are southern or a transition zone though. Today politically at the state level it doesn't differ much. Large super majority republicans control both chambers and they have been passing some pretty radical changing laws like permit less conceal carry and we had SJR39 almost make it to the house floor. They make our FL republicans look more moderate. We will never see permit less conceal carry or Religious freedom law here in FL. We couldn't even pass open carry again this year. I want my FL lawmakers in the house and senate to be more like Eric Burlison or Kurt Schaeffer and not the RINOS we have.
07-19-2016, 05:48 PM
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This isn't the forum for the discussion of the dangers of open carry and the moral issues that we have in the Missouri Republican party.
I do agree that St. Louis is very Midwestern
07-19-2016, 05:51 PM
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This isn't the forum for the discussion of the dangers of open carry and the moral issues that we have in the Missouri Republican party.
I do agree that St. Louis is very Midwestern
What are the dangers of open carry? I don't see any moral issues in the MO Republican party. Under the leadership of Todd Richardson they made new rules regarding conduct. Democrats also praised his leadership this year as well compared to years past like what went on with John Diehl last year which I don't think was a big issue. He just liked younger chicks giggity. Besides I'm glad he's gone and we got a guy from a area of MO that is southern "Butler County" who is a lot more conservative than the RINO Diehl.
07-19-2016, 05:53 PM
Location: St. Louis
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KC doesn't feel at all like Fort Worth or Tulsa . It feels more like Omaha and Des Moines.
I have to disagree on this one, mostly because I lived down there. Tulsa is not similar to rest of Oklahoma. It reminds me a lot of a miniature Kansas City. The Plains/Midwestern influence is strong there. I wouldn't have known that before being there.
And that's a good thing. Tulsa was leaps above OKC. It's a bright spot in an otherwise depressed state.
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Now Southwest Missouri though around Monett, Joplin, Nevada I agree has Midwest influence along with southern.
Yeah, spot on for SW MO. Joplin felt more Midwestern than Springfield. Certainly a transitional area.
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How much more Southern is STL than Indy? Based on what? I know Indy is quintessential Midwest down to the tornadoes but what are the Southern elements that STL has so much over Indianapolis?
They're both unquestionably Midwestern. The following is a list of differences. I will say, though, I've never considered Indianapolis to be anything other than Midwestern. Sure, southern Indiana has southern influences, but that's irrelevant.
Waves of European immigration. The Great Migration. Strong union history, right-to-work. More liberal politics. More significant industrialization. Much more heavy industry, railroads, and port system. Location as a major rail and waterway hub. Larger, denser urban core that is more similar to Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Minneapolis, etc.
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Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)