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Battery fires are scary but they get lots of press attention precisely because the are still relatively rare. Gasoline car fires are enormously frequent yet get almost no national news. According to the National Fire Prevention Association, in 2015, there were 174,000 gasoline fires in vehicles.
A study done by NTSB concluded that probably less risk of fire in an EV than ICE vehicle but did not quantify because they felt there was not enough data. An analysis done by Tesla that attempted to quantify the risk concluded that ICE was about 11x more likely than a Tesla to catch fire when evaluated based on miles driven.
How many ICE vehicles on the road compared to EV’s.
Doesn't matter when the RATE for EV fires is so much lower, too. Simply put if you have one of each, you're more likely to have a fire in the gasoline car than the EV.
Doesn't matter when the RATE for EV fires is so much lower, too. Simply put if you have one of each, you're more likely to have a fire in the gasoline car than the EV.
And you’re point is, still people don’t buy a vehicle based on if it’s going to catch on fire. Planes also cause more deaths in a crash than trains also.
And you’re point is, still people don’t buy a vehicle based on if it’s going to catch on fire. Planes also cause more deaths in a crash than trains also.
*I* look at fires, as I said, I was a passenger in a car that exploded and burned to the ground nearly taking me with it. I got third degree burns over both legs and the side of my face and spent 6 months in a wheelchair while my legs recovered.
But to that point, people make a BIG DEAL out of rare EV fires and don't think twice about the 170,000 gasoline car fires that happen every year, so it's HYPOCRITICAL and I'm going to point it out every time it comes up!
This is not too surprising, because all of the existing OEMs use evolutionary designs that are outgrowths or brush-ups of existing designs. Tesla started from scratch not too long ago, so for today they have the edge. The downside for Tesla is that they are also doing the beta testing for these new technologies.
Reality is that over time, Tesla will gradually become like the other OEMs. They too will be building on their old designs and incrementally improving them for the next design release. They will not maintain this edge forever, since the other OEMs will copy their designs and implement them at opportunity.
I don't believe the earth is flat, there are ghosts or in UFOs but I do believe that some inventions, patented or not, that have been suppressed.
Now and then one invention will surface in the news but vanish. I know the auto makers or is it the oil interests? purchased all the interurban (city to city) street car companies (Roger Rabbit) to encourage car ownership of gasoline fueled buggies.
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Think of all the R&D and investment that was diverted. Though the interstate highway system would have killed off electric cars one way or the other.)
This is not too surprising, because all of the existing OEMs use evolutionary designs that are outgrowths or brush-ups of existing designs. Tesla started from scratch not too long ago, so for today they have the edge. The downside for Tesla is that they are also doing the beta testing for these new technologies.
Reality is that over time, Tesla will gradually become like the other OEMs. They too will be building on their old designs and incrementally improving them for the next design release. They will not maintain this edge forever, since the other OEMs will copy their designs and implement them at opportunity.
I agree and that's where I see things headed eventually. While auto companies compete with each other, they also indirectly rely on each other to beta test new technologies and new designs. I had a friend who worked for GM and she said that for their higher end cars, they use some of the same suppliers as other luxury brands like BMW (leather trim, wood accents, etc).
Tesla is a novel concept for now but eventually it'll be like the other OEMS, or the other OEMS will be more like Tesla, or they will all meet at some point in between.
I always like to point out that there really is no "bad car" these days. Disruptors help the market. In 1989 Lexus was a wakeup call for MBZ and BMW and in the long run it helped them improve rather than hurt them.
I really thought the Fisker Karma's would be higher on the list considering...
After watching a number of negative YouTube Videos on, "Tesla owners having to jump through hoops just to get simple repairs done" it makes me question their whole business model.
I won't start on the tax credits, that deserves its own thread.
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Tesla spends $1 million annually on Washington lobbyists. Its cars are financed by over $280 million in federal tax incentives, including a $7,500 federal tax break and millions more in state rebates and development fees. SpaceX has also received over $5 billion in government support.
This is no surprise to this USA based design engineer.
Design by innovation vs, design by committee / (corp drag) and the ability to release an innovative mechanical product (risk), vs having the reputation risk of a few million units / yr sales WW.
Trust me... The Japanese, Germans, and Chinese have already 'done-it' (once they got their hands on an Tesla teardown (several years ago)). Their companies will not allow them to release it, but they are coming up to speed quickly.
Several friends have had Tesla's since Day One (available). They are fine, but risky for Toyota / VW buyers. One friend has made several Prius EV's (for last 10 yrs).
Tesla may lead the innovation in EV, as they have the balls to do it. Or... they may get neutered as happens to innovation leaders within Big Corp environment. All our managers got sent to a weekend beach retreat before taking the reins. They came back speaking very high pitched and never again had the same 'voice' at design reviews. But they supposedly got a few extra Stock Options for the 'Pain and Suffering'. (No thanks)
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