Any Blue State Transplants Considering Bailing on Texas? (Houston, Dallas: lease, to live in)

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Rakin

There are a lot of major cities where Citizens only choice maybe to keep a firearm with them at all times. Legally or illegally.

Crime is out of control and they are not keeping the criminals in jails like they should.

The defund and reducing cash bail efforts have yielded disaster.

I'm in NYC a lot nowadays..........this guy is sort of a local legend.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/meet-t...ost-every-time


https://www.thecentersquare.com/texa...3b5f2ca55.html

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Rakin

There are a lot of major cities where Citizens only choice maybe to keep a firearm with them at all times. Legally or illegally.

Crime is out of control and they are not keeping the criminals in jails like they should.

This.

Gun Control does not stop gun violence. It only prevents lawful owners from defending themselves. The shooter in Uvalde was very determined and premeditated his actions. He also passed a criminal background check which is still required by Federal Law as he purchased from a gun dealer.

[NP78]

Originally Posted by Rakin

There are a lot of major cities where Citizens only choice maybe to keep a firearm with them at all times. Legally or illegally.

Crime is out of control and they are not keeping the criminals in jails like they should.

This type of approach seems to be a common problem among policy makers in the U.S. Instead of correcting poor or failed policies, we implement new policies which are less than ideal to try to counteract the poor policies we started with.

We rarely attack the root cause of any issue. Instead of reducing crime, let's arm everyone (evidence suggests that does not deter crime). Instead of addressing college costs, let's just give everyone "free" money ("free" money is always good for votes, but will only accelerate college costs). Many, many more examples just like it.

[Pilsn3r]

Originally Posted by EDS_

100+ trained LEOs didn't, not couldn't, do anything to stop the Uvalde massacre.

A parent asked to borrow a gun and go in - he was rebuffed by police following orders to wait and wait and wait.

The Uvalde disaster will go down as a ringing tragedy - worsened by Chief Arredondo's fear of action.
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Being in the, "right" place every time isn't going to happen but the fact is good guys and gals with guns end violent crime episodes all the time.

No citizen or LEO could not stop him getting AR style rifles, nor stop him getting ammo. They could not stop the kid killing other kids although he announced his intentions on social media.

How many armed citizens stopped the 61 shootings in 2021?
How many armed citizens stopped the 40 shootings in 2020?
How many armed citizens stopped 400+ shootings from 2000-2021?
How many was "all the time"? Evidence is available.

Wayne LaPierre said after the 20 kids + 6 teachers killed at Sandy Hook (that some believe didn't happen): “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” The "fact" is, you do not bring any facts/links/evidence, just spouting your beliefs in the way of Wayne/NRA. The usual M.O. - no facts/evidence.

[Dopo]

Originally Posted by EDS_

100+ trained LEOs didn't, not couldn't, do anything to stop the Uvalde massacre.
Being in the, "right" place every time isn't going to happen but the fact is good guys and gals with guns end violent crime episodes all the time.

Explain why 100s of trained good guys in Uvalde didn't stop the bad guy

[Pilsn3r]

Originally Posted by Dopo

Explain why 100s of trained good guys in Uvalde didn't stop the bad guy

Edit to add: Actually Governor Abbott's report cited over 400 LEOs were on-site. And the report also does not place any blame on any LEO leaders, including Arredondo.

To add: Some of the LEOs were specifically trained for this scenario. Some of these LEOs were born and raised proud Texans who grew up hunting, shooting, since kids, yet did nothing. Some LEOs had very specific roles for school security or border security, or just general LEO duties. Yet...kids are dead, teachers are dead, and all that some will say is "thoughts and prayers" with a shrug of the shoulders and a wave of "Come and Take It" flag with an assault rifle on it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06...lice-training/

"Since the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School in Colorado left 12 students and a teacher dead, active-shooter training instructs officers to immediately confront shooters, even if an officer is alone at the scene."

"Donna police Chief Gilbert Guerrero, who oversees a force of 30 patrol officers in a border town of some 16,000 people, said he told his officers that they should consider changing jobs if they were “not willing to make that sacrifice” by facing down a gunman and risking their lives."

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Dopo

Explain why 100s of trained good guys in Uvalde didn't stop the bad guy

Easy.......Chief Arredondo ordered them to wait.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Pilsn3r

To add: Some of the LEOs were specifically trained for this scenario. Some of these LEOs were born and raised proud Texans who grew up hunting, shooting, since kids, yet did nothing. Some LEOs had very specific roles for school security or border security, or just general LEO duties. Yet...kids are dead, teachers are dead, and all that some will say is "thoughts and prayers" with a shrug of the shoulders and a wave of "Come and Take It" flag with an assault rifle on it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06...lice-training/

"Since the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School in Colorado left 12 students and a teacher dead, active-shooter training instructs officers to immediately confront shooters, even if an officer is alone at the scene."

"Donna police Chief Gilbert Guerrero, who oversees a force of 30 patrol officers in a border town of some 16,000 people, said he told his officers that they should consider changing jobs if they were “not willing to make that sacrifice” by facing down a gunman and risking their lives."

I agree with the bolded, they should be fired on the spot for not carrying out their duty. They did not even infiltrate the building until after the shooter fired over 100 rounds.

INVESTIGATIVE COMMITTEE ON THE ROBB ELEMENTARY SHOOTING

Pg.48 / PDF Pg.51

First Law Enforcement Approaches & Enters
After the attacker already had fired over 100 shots in Robb Elementary’s west building, two
separate groups of officers converged on the building at the same time from different
directions. From the time of their initial entry and over the course of the next five minutes,
the attacker fired approximately 16 additional rounds.
On the south side of the building, Chief Arredondo and Officer Adrian Gonzalez of the
Uvalde CISD Police and Uvalde Police Officer Page and Sgt. Coronado approached. Officers
Page and Gonzalez were the first to enter,146 followed by Chief Arredondo, then by Sgt.

The Texas Tribune also commented that the responding units were largely uncoordinated and mismanaged.

In total, 376 law enforcement officers — a force larger than the garrison that defended the Alamo — descended upon the school in a chaotic, uncoordinated scene that lasted for more than an hour. The group was devoid of clear leadership, basic communications and sufficient urgency to take down the gunman, the report says.

[detachable arm]

Incompetence, poor leadership, believing in stupid false things, big talk / all hat no cattle is the Texas Way. Uvalde and the power grid are two big, glaring back-to-back examples of this. We’re just waiting for the next thing to expose us further.

BTW every Texas based company I’ve ever worked for was rife with incompetence, and the ones in the small towns were the worst. I have not worked for a Texas-based company for 15+ years and probably never will. Fortunately the big cities lure the best from all over the country, which is the reason we’re on the map..

Some people aren’t going to like it - but I can say all this as a multi-generational native.

Blue state transplants take note.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by detachable arm

Incompetence, poor leadership, believing in stupid false things, big talk / all hat no cattle is the Texas Way. Uvalde and the power grid are two big, glaring back-to-back examples of this. We’re just waiting for the next thing to expose us further.

BTW every Texas based company I’ve ever worked for was rife with incompetence, and the ones in the small towns were the worst. I have not worked for a Texas-based company for 15+ years and probably never will. Fortunately the big cities lure the best from all over the country, which is the reason we’re on the map..

Some people aren’t going to like it - but I can say all this as a multi-generational native.

Blue state transplants take note.

I'm sure Texas based companies are horrified that you're boycotting them.