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Some of Dr. Phil's "reassurances" were quite laughable, and this was one of them. Patsy was laid back about the pageants an didn't spend a lot of money on dresses and wigs like some of the other moms? O-kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Drrrp is a moron. Makes you wonder why they chose his show to be on. I know someone mentioned they both share an attorney, but the attorney is supposed to protect each client. Maybe he knows what he's doing but I don't see the logic in Burke going on this particular show.
Always remember folks: the Ramseys didn't submit to their first police interview until a full FIVE months after their daughter was found killed; they kicked and screamed since day 1. And they flat out REFUSED to talk to the police the day their daughter was found dead--using the lame excuse that Patsy was too medicated. Please. Then why not submit to questioning the very next day? Instaed they were making flight plans to flee Colorado like bats out of hell.
Always remember folks: the Ramseys didn't submit to their first police interview until a full FIVE months after their daughter was found killed; they kicked and screamed since day 1. And they flat out REFUSED to talk to the police the day their daughter was found dead--using the lame excuse that Patsy was too medicated. Please. Then why not submit to questioning the very next day? Instaed they were making flight plans to flee Colorado like bats out of hell.
Let that sink in.
And they submitted to more than one test by polygraph operators hired by them, but would not take one by the FBI.
And their son, interviewed the next day (without parental consent) claimed that he had not come out of his room that night, and did not come out or even make inquiries after the frantic behavior of his mother and the arrival of police the next morning. Now he is saying he came out of his room in the middle of the night after all. There is no reason he would not have revealed that earlier unless it was a guilty secret or his parents had told him to keep absolutely quiet about what he had seen or heard, or done.
And they submitted to more than one test by polygraph operators hired by them, but would not take one by the FBI.
Yup. The Ramseys have always hired quacks to try to discredit consensus professional opinion, and I have no doubt they scoured the country until they finally found polygraph "experts" who would claim they passed.
Just like the "DNA expert" from the A&E crockumentary....it turns out he's another Ramsey fraud with zero qualifications who is "self trained" and has no DNA extraction or forensic analysis experience.
[quote=breeinmo.;45507651]This case is even sadder because of all the misinformation and out right lies being told. Just look at this thread someone stated they heard the rest of the 911 call. [/b] This is why some say a person can be labeled guilty by public opinion. The grand jury did NOT hear all the facts, so their findings are meaningless. If you can believe all the other suspects were cleared from the dna, why not the Ramsey's? Seems some want it both ways.
If you are referring to my post earlier, yes, I have heard the 911 call (I think most everyone on this thread that have been following this case has probably listened to it or at least part of it) including the part where the phone didn't hang up. The media/experts hashed that around for a while and, while it was never proved to be Burke at the end of the call - just a third person at the house - it was very clear the parents said "we aren't talking to you."
You are right, there has been a lot of misinformation about this case, starting with the family - the most recent being Burke admitting he was up in the middle of the night with the flashlight in the basement! Maybe their game plan all along was to have people so confused nobody knew what to think. Here we are 20 years later and still trying to figure it out.
You are right, there has been a lot of misinformation about this case, starting with the family - the most recent being Burke admitting he was up in the middle of the night with the flashlight in the basement!
...after 20 years denying the flashlight was even theirs! In police videos, when shown pictures of the flashlight, both John and Patsy scratched their heads, acted dumb, and did what they do best: DENY DENY DENY.
And now 20 years later, it is revealed that not only did they own it, but Burke USED it that night...and even more bizarrely, so did John "Lizard Lips" Ramsey, for "putting the children to bed." Who uses a flashlight to put their kids to bed? A flashlight that was later found to have been wiped clean of fingerprints in the kitchen....next to the pineapple, and which fits the skull injury perfectly.
Just like the "DNA expert" from the A&E crockumentary....it turns out he's another Ramsey fraud with zero qualifications who is "self trained" and has no DNA extraction or forensic analysis experience.
Oops is right. You've got the wrong info, above. From your link:
"The Illinois Innocence Project said investigators in the JonBenet Ramsey case contacted Eikelenboom and his wife about using Touch DNA, but the Boulder Police Department said Thursday that the report was not true."
...after 20 years denying the flashlight was even theirs!
Actually, John conceded that fairly early on when his other son revealed that he had given him one that was identical to it, and that other one could not be located.
This case is even sadder because of all the misinformation and out right lies being told. Just look at this thread, someone stated they heard the rest of the 911 call.
Exactly.
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Its too bad Lou Smit was run out of the investigation, as he seemed to know his stuff. He also had no dog in the fight.
True. And it turns out he was paid by Boulder when he worked for DA Alex Hunter. After that, he got no paycheck.
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I don't trust anything these former cops are saying now, and think them posting videos is obscene.
Absolutely.
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the Ramsey's hiring legal counsel is not an odd or guilt driven action. The innocent need lawyers just as much as criminals do.
True. It was their friend Mike Bynum who told them to get a lawyer; he said something to the effect of if you're innocent you need a lawyer, and if you're guilty you need one as well.
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The only thing that bothers me is the ransom note. IF it was someone who detested JR and was in the home while they were out, I could see him getting papers written by Patsy and trying to copy her hand writing. That's what I'd do if I was a sicko and trying to frame someone.
And if either of the Ramseys had written the note, why, when the Boulder PD asked for handwriting samples, did they give them the pad from which the note had been written? That was where the "practice note" was found. If they had written the note, they would have hidden or disposed of the pad.
Actually, John conceded that fairly early on when his other son revealed that he had given him one that was identical to it, and that other one could not be located.
Well, did John at first deny that he even owned the flashlight?
Then did his older son say that he had given him one? (If so, then that was a big mistake to blurt that out.)
And did John say he put the kids to bed using a flashlight? (If so, maybe he was trying to account for any possible fingerprints or he was at the very least feeling worried or guilty about something concerning that flashlight--something suspicious.)
Is all of this verified?
Because if all of that is true it becomes very strange that the flashlight had been wiped clean of fingerprints (why? Unless they were worried that the flashlight would cause suspicion. Why wipe down a silly flashlight of all things?) And now Burke has actually come out and stated that he was up after everyone was supposedly in bed and he used that flashlight to go down to the basement! This flashlight evidence is very concerning if it can all be verified.
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[/b] This is why some say a person can be labeled guilty by public opinion. The grand jury did NOT hear all the facts, so their findings are meaningless. If you can believe all the other suspects were cleared from the dna, why not the Ramsey's? Seems some want it both ways.
