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Old 01-08-2017, 06:42 AM
 
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The moores of Spain had been to the islands, hundreds of years before the conquistadors "discovered" the americas. They brought trade, irrigation, and Islam to South America and parts of North America in the 1100's, nearly 350 years before Christopher Colombus and queen Isabella duped everyone and manipulated history. History as we know it is a lie. We are all brothers and sisters being oppressed.
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:58 AM
 
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Well, if you are going to espouse your strong convictions and theories like this, and I am not saying they are incorrect..
The least you can do is spell the name of the people you are referring to correctly..i.e. The Moors.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:44 AM
 
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Default Arab/Puero Rican

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So like a good PR boy, I always understood that I am foremost Spanish, and likely have Taino and African blood in me, because that is what we are told PRs major influences were. Of course there were a variety of other settlers, including varying Europeans, Asians, Jews, etc, but the Spanish/Taino/African mix is the most abundant (for lack of a better word). That being said, I recently took a dna test to get some insight into my lineage, and discovered that I am basically 100% Arab (a mix of different Arab populations), and that the region of the world that I am most similar to, genetically, is not Latin America (or any Latin American country) or Europe, it is Mesopotamia (Iran/Iraq areas). In fact, my closest genetic relatives are the Kurds in Northern Iraq. So my questions are these: Both my parents are from PR, as are my grandparents, however I have virtually NO Spanish/European, Taino, or African influence of any substance, and am basically 100% of Arab descent. How is this possible? Is this common? How large was/is the middle eastern influence in Puerto Rico historically? Could PR be surpressing the role of middle eastern migration for some reason or maybe just doesn't know how large a role it played?

Im 73 yrs old and grew up being told by my dad and uncle from Rincon PR that they had a woman in their family that was from Syria. I've been researching this but with no luck. Also my grandmother was born in 1878 and she often told me of the she would buy merchandise from the Arab traders that travelled through the countryside in Trujillo Alto, PR.
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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The moores of Spain had been to the islands, hundreds of years before the conquistadors "discovered" the americas. They brought trade, irrigation, and Islam to South America and parts of North America in the 1100's, nearly 350 years before Christopher Colombus and queen Isabella duped everyone and manipulated history. History as we know it is a lie. We are all brothers and sisters being oppressed.
Oh, what? Because the ignorant natives couldn't figure out how to do that on their own? They needed some Moorish "massahs" to show them how to do it, and subjugate them with a foreign religion no less?

Brothers and sister being oppressed. Hah!
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Old 01-12-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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Well, the Moors really got around according to Dennis Hopper.
Warning: NSFW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsIEAipTNbE
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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The moores of Spain had been to the islands, hundreds of years before the conquistadors "discovered" the americas. They brought trade, irrigation, and Islam to South America and parts of North America in the 1100's, nearly 350 years before Christopher Colombus and queen Isabella duped everyone and manipulated history. History as we know it is a lie. We are all brothers and sisters being oppressed.
Sounds like "We wuz kangz" and "we wuz here first". Really?
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Old 06-30-2018, 05:19 AM
 
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Default Wepa!

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I took a dna too. I have about a 10% Middleeastern. Also TIran/Saudi genes.
Many Muslims did come to PR. With Chrusty Colombus and were expelled from Spain. There was a big migration to PR in the 1950s also. If i could show you my boys- they get asked all the time if they are arab. They just say yes now with lots of stuff sprinkled in. There are large communities today in Rio Piedras, San Juan, Ponce , Caguas etc.
You are still Boricua.
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:11 PM
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Im 73 yrs old and grew up being told by my dad and uncle from Rincon PR that they had a woman in their family that was from Syria. I've been researching this but with no luck. Also my grandmother was born in 1878 and she often told me of the she would buy merchandise from the Arab traders that travelled through the countryside in Trujillo Alto, PR.
There was a Lebanese bakery in Rincon at the entrance to the town. it had a cedar tree painted on it.

Now it could also be that the 'Arabs' your family spoke of were actually Jews. They were most likely to live in the mountains for safety from the spanish government. Mathias Brugman was a Dutch Jew.

thank you for your story
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:48 PM
 
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There was a Lebanese bakery in Rincon at the entrance to the town. it had a cedar tree painted on it.

Now it could also be that the 'Arabs' your family spoke of were actually Jews. They were most likely to live in the mountains for safety from the spanish government. Mathias Brugman was a Dutch Jew.

thank you for your story
Yep, right next to Pizza Town if I recall correctly. I'm not sure if it's still there though.

Many people forget that under Spanish rule there was no freedom of religion, you had to be Catholic or else. Protestants and non-Christians had to practice in secret.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:29 PM
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Yep, right next to Pizza Town if I recall correctly. I'm not sure if it's still there though.

Many people forget that under Spanish rule there was no freedom of religion, you had to be Catholic or else. Protestants and non-Christians had to practice in secret.
it's still a bakery just not owned by the Lebanese family anymore. Someone told me they started a new business in town but i dont know anymore what it is.

yeah you'd expect people to know that there was no religious freedom under spanish rule but then again nobody expects the spanish inquisition




i'll show myself out.
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