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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:13 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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So indulging the DUP is worth it?
its the only way the Government stays in power, if the DUP removes their support we would get a Corbyn government and that would be horrendous for the country no matter how we vote.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:04 AM
 
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its the only way the Government stays in power, if the DUP removes their support we would get a Corbyn government and that would be horrendous for the country no matter how we vote.
So you are OK gambling with the Northern Ireland peace process?
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Glasgow,Scotland
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So you are OK gambling with the Northern Ireland peace process?

According to the most recent Future of England survey, a joint initiative of the University of Edinburgh and Cardiff University, 81 per cent of Leave voters in England believe destabilising the Northern Irish peace process a price worth paying if that’s what Brexit requires. That’s quite something. But then so is the discovery that 88 per cent of those Leave voters consider Brexit more important than the survival of the United Kingdom. That is, they would accept Scottish independence if doing so guaranteed Brexit.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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So you are OK gambling with the Northern Ireland peace process?
Ya know, it's not a gamble if you control your actions.

Look the border, has two sides, the Irish side, and the UK side. Why is it that the UK is seen as gambling with the NI peace process, when one of the actual things we asked the EU for was frictionless borders and free transit between NI and Eire?

It's the EU that's saying "No! That would be unfair" so it's not the UK gambling, it's the EU, and if not the EU it's at most 50:50, so don't pin this entirely on the UK.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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So you are OK gambling with the Northern Ireland peace process?
In what way is it a gamble ?
The border is not mentioned in the Good Friday Agreement.
The EU had no input into the peace process.
Name me a single British politician who has said they want a hard border.
Tell me why,immediately after the Brexit referendum two and a half years ago,the Irish prime minister instructed his civil servants to abandon any consultation with their Northern counterparts on how to ensure there wouldn't be a hard border if technological solutions were used.
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Old 01-21-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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Ya know, it's not a gamble if you control your actions.

Look the border, has two sides, the Irish side, and the UK side. Why is it that the UK is seen as gambling with the NI peace process, when one of the actual things we asked the EU for was frictionless borders and free transit between NI and Eire?

It's the EU that's saying "No! That would be unfair" so it's not the UK gambling, it's the EU, and if not the EU it's at most 50:50, so don't pin this entirely on the UK.
Why should the EU bend its frontier rules to facilitate the brits?
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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Why should the EU bend its frontier rules to facilitate the brits?
Well,there's 39 billion reasons I can think of.
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Old 01-21-2019, 05:02 PM
 
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And why irish_bob should we in GB bend things to please the EU and smaller countries that depend on the dish outs tht lot give especially smaller nations. We give big amounts to help those places.

More generally France is in a nervous practical state as they will suffer regarding their farming industry and the stuff that normally comes here. Germany is getting a bit edgy on finance so you can keep the bowl out!
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Why should the EU bend its frontier rules to facilitate the brits?
So then the issue isn't with the UK, it's Ireland.

Remember the GFA takes legal precedence over any agreement Ireland made after it, so Lisbon for example, just sayin...
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Old 01-22-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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Ireland's problem is well theirs! They are in the EU money helper and we want out so that is our right just as much as they are having one. I know it would be awkward for Dublin but we have voted to be out that freak political and financial awkward lot. Our big dollop of payments has no doubt helped smaller places that were not up to solving themselves but not a principled reason for staying in a thing that is shaking a bit and not anywhere near a hundred percent brilliant.

The leader of the EU Council has been reported as condemning the then British Prime Minister David Cameron for deciding to have a referendum. Democracy in Europe? Makes the head shake at the arrogance. It is very obvious that France is in a state and Germany getting shakey even if they are the big two. I don't want to be in a United States of Europe any more than the US of A. Okay for two holidays mind you.....!
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