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The UK clearly plans to have free movement as it says it wants no border between Northern Ireland and the EU
The UK is not going to enforce a hard border, but then again we are not going to enforce a hard border in terms of trade between the EU and UK.
There is no scenario where there will be a hard border, even under WTO Rules trade has to be frictionless, and if you can bring goods in using new technoloy and on-line forms in terms of mainland Great Britain, then Northern Ireland with 1.8 million people should not even be an issue.
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Lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the government has announced.
New guidance for importers and hauliers says firms would file a simplified form online in advance and pay duty later.
Under the, what are being called "transitional simplified procedures" would be introduced for ferry routes from Europe, and for the Channel Tunnel, for at least a year if the UK leaves without a deal.
These HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) plans would allow an importer to file a very short customs form - a "simplified frontier declaration" - only two hours before a lorry is due to cross the Channel by ferry, or one hour via the Channel Tunnel.
The truck would then be able to drive straight into the UK without any further paperwork being done at the border.
The importer would have to update the computer entry within 24 hours to tell HMRC the goods had arrived, and the duty would be payable as much as a month after the shipment had entered the UK.
The information which would allow UK importers to update their shipments for a kind of pre-approval and quick entry has to come from EU sources. It is not a magic act done by Brits alone. It is the Brits who are changing their system once they have the usual information supplied by the EU source. It is not like the border has magically disappeared, it is your clearing procedures that have changed.
You certainly don't think that this dissolves the hard border problem between the EU and the UK, do you? This system is all about hard borders!
The same procedures between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland would still involve having a hard border.
I also do not see in the article from the BBC how the movement of French citizens into the UK has been similarly streamlined. And if this is not the case, then it has no applicability to how the movement of people would be handled between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Neither the UK nor the EU can pretend to have complete control and independence of their separate political territories until both sides agree to the fiction that there is - but is not - a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and NI. I have not heard nor read of either side being willing to play this game of "Let's Pretend" to the max, which is what would be required. The DUPers, for one, would wet their knickers over it.
Nothing to do with the EU, this is how Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) deal with the issue (the EU has no say on the matter), how the EU deals with goods coming in on their side is up to them. Although by all accounts the French are eager to keep trade going through French ports rather than be transferred to other ports, so are also eager to maintain good trading operations.
The UK decides it's own border controls, and is not part of the Schenghen Borderless EU area, whilst after the 29th March we will be leaving the EU itself.
This applies to trade, and in terms of EU Citizens they will be allowed to enter using a valid passport which is the same as they do now, however their ability to live and work in the UK or to claim welfare benefits will be subject to change once we leave the EU. You do realise that Britain does have a hard border in relation to checking peoples passports from the EU already, it's their ability to live, work and claim benefits here that will change and not passport controls, which are already in place, as we are not part of the bordeless Schenghen borderless area.
In terms of movement of people, Britain is not going to restrict any movement in terms of the UK and RoI, as it has been part of a Common Travel Area long before either country was ever part of the EU. The UK has already stated that "Irish citizens residing in the UK will not need to apply for 'settled status' to protect their entitlements, and they are treated differently under the UK/ROI Common Travel Agreement.
Nothing to do with the EU, this is how Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) have decided to deal with the issue (the EU has no say on the matter), how the EU deals with goods coming in on their side is up to them. Although by all accounts the French are eager to keep as much trade going through French ports rather than be transferred to other ports.
The UK decides it's own border controls, and are not in Schenghen whilst after the 29th March we are leaving the EU itself.
This applies to trade, in terms of EU Citizens they will be allowed to enter using a valid passport, however their ability to stay beyond tourism, to work in the UK and to claim welfare benefits will be subject to change once we leave the EU.
In terms of movement of people, Britain is not going to restrict any movement in terms of the UK and RoI, as it has been part of a Common Travel Area long before either country was ever part of the EU. The UK has already stated that "Irish citizens residing in the UK will not need to apply for 'settled status' to protect their entitlements, and they are treated differently under the UK/ROI Common Travel Agreement.
As for the WTO it states that all trade must be frictionless and it's Tribunal can overrule all EU Courts.
Funny thing is there are no long lines of trucks running in to Switzerland, or coming from there. Switzerland isn't a member of the EU customs union, although is in the Schengen area. It does have multiple treaties and a free trade agreement with the EU but isn't a member.
Hows that work since Switzerland is 100% surrounded by the EU, and doesn't have customs issues.
Funny thing is there are no long lines of trucks running in to Switzerland, or coming from there. Switzerland isn't a member of the EU customs union, although is in the Schengen area. It does have multiple treaties and a free trade agreement with the EU but isn't a member.
Hows that work since Switzerland is 100% surrounded by the EU, and doesn't have customs issues.
Because the EU lets it work, as the EU are unelected undemocractic hypocrities, who have free trade agreements with over 60 countries outside of the EU and allow trade and goods to travel unhindered in to numerous countries outside of the EU.
All that is required in NI is a a "simplified frontier declaration", it's an area with a population smaller than most cities.
New technology is already used in terms of global trade at UK Ports and Airports for goods, people and services from across the world without any problem whatsoever.
Because the EU lets it work, as the EU are unelected undemocractic hypocrities, who have free trade agreements with over 60 countries outside of the EU and allow trade and goods to travel unhindered in to numerous countries outside of the EU.
All that is required in NI is a a "simplified frontier declaration", it's an area with a population smaller than most cities.
New technology is already used in terms of global trade at UK Ports and Airports for goods, people and services from across the world without any problem whatsoever.
Got to admit, I got that from the Swiss trade minister (not personally), while I was reading a warning from the ECB about lowered profits due to BREXIT and currency instability in the Euro. Then caught the German Economic Secretary discussing impacts on the German economy caused by the UK withdrawal and reduced trade exports.
By golly I think the EU might be waking up to reality.
Got to admit, I got that from the Swiss trade minister (not personally), while I was reading a warning from the ECB about lowered profits due to BREXIT and currency instability in the Euro. Then caught the German Economic Secretary discussing impacts on the German economy caused by the UK withdrawal and reduced trade exports.
By golly I think the EU might be waking up to reality.
I hope so Gungnir.
I think there is a big gulf between the unelected leaders of the EU, the elected leaders of European countries and the average person. If the EU messes this up and tries to punish the average worker then there will ultimately be a further rise in Anti-Eu sentiment, and a rise in populism. The EU could end up being the author of it's own demise.
I think there is a big gulf between the unelected leaders of the EU, the elected leaders of European countries and the average person. If the EU messes this up and tries to punish the average worker then there will ultimately be a further rise in Anti-Eu sentiment, and a rise in populism. The EU could end up being the author of it's own demise.
Yes, I think there is some truth in this. Juncker, Tusk, and the rest must feel they are above governments of EU countries. They have been given more, and more power for decades.
They seem blind, or uncaring to the damage coming, not just to us, but to EU economies. All they can do is keep parroting the party line.
I hope Gungnir is right, and there is a waking to the reality coming round the corner, in just a few weeks. They must think we will give in to their backstop, and not believe we are just not having it.
Tusk has just given a speech in which he said " there was a place in hell for those who voted for Brexit", so therefore dropping any pretext at diplomacy and showing their true (bullying) colours.
he also said the withdrawal agreement is not open for renegotiation, so no movement there.
11pm March 29th we leave with no deal then.
Tusk has just given a speech in which he said " there was a place in hell for those who voted for Brexit", so therefore dropping any pretext at diplomacy and showing their true (bullying) colours.
he also said the withdrawal agreement is not open for renegotiation, so no movement there.
11pm March 29th we leave with no deal then.
Tusk is an unelected idiot, who has been accused of corruption in the past.
The fact he is Polish at a time when British troops are defending the Baltic region and Poland, as well as exercising with Polish troops, whilst the RAF is patrolling the skies of Eastern Europe, clearly demonstrates how stupid Tusk is.
Btw Tusk is widely hated in his native Poland, just as Juncker has been accused of heling companies avoid tax in relation to his native Luxembourg. Boh men have been accussed of corruption in the past but manage to cling on to their unelected positions running the EU.
As for the Irish PM Mr Varadkar, I wouldn't have thought the people of Ireland thought that this was a laughing matter.
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European Council President Donald Tusk has spoken of a "special place in hell" for "those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely".
He was speaking after talks with Irish premier Leo Varadkar in Brussels.
He said the EU would "insist" on the Irish backstop in any UK withdrawal deal to preserve peace.
But he and Mr Varadkar were preparing for the "possible fiasco" of a no-deal Brexit.
And at the end of their press conference, Mr Varadkar was picked up by the microphones telling Mr Tusk: "They'll give you terrible trouble in the British press for that."
Mr Tusk nodded at the comment and both laughed.
Former UKIP leader, and now an independent MEP, Nigel Farage, tweeted back at Mr Tusk: "After Brexit we will be free of unelected, arrogant bullies like you and run our own country. Sounds more like heaven to me."
no it cant, the EU will only allow an extension if there is a deal to be done, and as they-the EU- wont reopen negotiations isn't going to happen.
you know, although you said you voted leave, you are getting to sound more and more like a remoaner.
Not sure if you mean't me but if so I put a balanced view forward with no element of 'moaning' at all.
Just to correct you, the date can be extended in the event of a second vote or a general election.
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