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Your lack of political history knowledge is evident geoff956.
It was not just Tories who put Margaret Thatcher in and there was historically a time even up her north of the border generations ago when ordinary working class people put them in. The gone Progressive party in Scotland was the Tories locally and ran Councils and cities including mine! Labour is a dangerous waste of space and all the Marxist stuff and declarations from the Labour leader and that even stronger Marxist of a Shad Chancellor. The very top tiny percent of moneyed people pay a very outstanding contribution of the government income which your lot ignore. Working population the highest for decades and wages going up etc. Income tax reduced for millions as well yet why not under Labour? Every time the Labour lot has left office unemployment is up and so to is debt.
When you listen to that head shaking John O'Donnell and hi total guff and far left nonsense it is no wonder that party is crawling right now and it's support is low. Corbyn has as much chance of being Prime Minister as I have. Their far left rubbish is a danger to the country and their present mess is emphasising how dangerous and a hell they would be in government. It is bad enough listening to that smug LibDem leader but thinking she would be PM makes me laugh loudly and Corbyn would be a disaster. That many people are Brexiteers in places means sod all for the party and in a general elction they have no chance of being first never mind handling the EU any better.
Well, well. Just at a time Labour should be unified, ready for a General Election, they are starting to fall apart internally.
First, Tom Watson had a bid to oust him from his post as Deputy Leader. He said he is "disappointed" but has called for unity within the party.
Now, it's Andrew Fisher, Labour's head of policy, who is leaving his post to 'spend more time with his family.' This guy wrote Labour's last manifesto.
The Sunday Times claims Mr Fisher has stated Jeremy Corbyn would not win the next General Election.
Many within Labour know Corbyn is a liability, but just can't get rid of him. He is surrounded by cronies like Diane Abbott, who would be the Home Secretary in a Labour government. She is less than useless. Everybody knows it within Labour, but none dare say it.
Corbyn is still fence sitting on the EU, because he has wanted to get out of the EU for over 40 years. They are stuck with him for the upcoming General Election. It is going to be real interesting for sure.
I merely describe the inescapable truth.
His rising popularity is no doubt a measure of the ineptitude of his opponents and the sad state of out society.
Hopefully, the latter is not as bad as I fear and he will be removed at the next GE.
Heh,heh,heh,
A new Opinium opinion poll out this morning paints a good picture of Boris's increasing popularity with the electorate.
Conservative Party now has a 15-point lead over Labour (37% vs 22%)
Disapproval of the opposition leaders and the House of Commons on Brexit continues to rise week-on-week
Now Remainers are just as likely to vote Lib Dems they are Labour (33% for each)
This would give the Tories a triple-figure majority in any general election …
Under normal circumstances, Labour would win the upcoming General Election easily. Ordinary Labour voting folk are looking on in horror at the monster Jeremy Corbyn has been allowed to create. They are unelectable. Corbyn's Marxist friends have infiltrated the Labour local party roots. If they somehow managed to come to power, the economy would be trashed within a few years.
Their left wing ideals would mean there wouldn't be a refugee not given a warm welcome to our small island. Never mind boats sailing from France here illegally. Corbyn would send boats to collect them. You think I'm joking? I'm not.
The Tory party is nothing to write home about. They have tied themselves up in knots with Brexit. They are not completely to blame, this unrest and upheaval, has been coming for decades. The 2016 vote just unleashed the anger of ordinary folks.
The Liberals, led by an idealistic schoolgirl lookalike, would literally, stop Brexit in it's tracks. They have decided we are going to remain as an EU colony, no matter how many people voted to leave. Fortunately, they are in their usual idealistic dreamworld, and have as much chance of her becoming Prime Minister, as I have.
We need Nigel Farage yapping at Boris's heels, to ensure we leave without a deal. This is the only chance the Tories have of winning a General Election, and they know it. If they fail, votes will drain away to the Brexit party. It is a total mess, but surely now, we need this brought to an end. Citizens are exhausted by it all. Time to leave, and pick up the pieces as best we can.
Well, well. Just at a time Labour should be unified, ready for a General Election, they are starting to fall apart internally.
First, Tom Watson had a bid to oust him from his post as Deputy Leader. He said he is "disappointed" but has called for unity within the party.
Now, it's Andrew Fisher, Labour's head of policy, who is leaving his post to 'spend more time with his family.' This guy wrote Labour's last manifesto.
The Sunday Times claims Mr Fisher has stated Jeremy Corbyn would not win the next General Election.
Many within Labour know Corbyn is a liability, but just can't get rid of him. He is surrounded by cronies like Diane Abbott, who would be the Home Secretary in a Labour government. She is less than useless. Everybody knows it within Labour, but none dare say it.
Corbyn is still fence sitting on the EU, because he has wanted to get out of the EU for over 40 years. They are stuck with him for the upcoming General Election. It is going to be real interesting for sure.
The Tom Watson thing is ridiculous. If you don't like the guy then hold an election for deputy, that's what Labours rules says. Don't come out swinging trying to delete the post.
Its clumsy and deceitful, but patently both of them, making it just mind bogglingly stupid.
Now they're trying to divide it into several posts instead.
I think the Labour party has gone lost what little mind it had. Its like watching the Keystone Cops.
The Tom Watson thing is ridiculous. If you don't like the guy then hold an election for deputy, that's what Labours rules says. Don't come out swinging trying to delete the post.
Its clumsy and deceitful, but patently both of them, making it just mind bogglingly stupid.
Now they're trying to divide it into several posts instead.
I think the Labour party has gone lost what little mind it had. Its like watching the Keystone Cops.
I used to be Labour through and through. Voted for the party from the time I came of age to vote. I am just disillusioned with them, and it hurts.
First that scumbag Tony Blair opening the floodgates to immigration, and then sent our armed forces into two pointless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Finally got rid of him, after he ensured he got a fat pension after serving as Prime Minister for ten years. Well, it was always about the money with Blair, and that wife of his.
Then we got the semi useless Gordon Brown. The 'Iron Chancellor' exposed as a no clothes PM. Followed by something resembling a puppet from Thunderbirds, Ed Miliband. After him, we got Jeremy Corbyn. It was rumoured his name was only put forward for the leadership of the Labour party as a joke. Well, no one's laughing now.
I never dreamed the Labour party would be unelectable, and all we would have is, gawd help us, the Tories. But that's the position we're in. Maybe after Corbyn is finally got rid of, the Labour party can come back. But, they have lost a lot more than just me as voters. Many have just had enough of Labour for good. The downhill slide started with Blair, and continues.
Exhausted? Up and till now has mearly been the prelude to Brexit, Brexit proper will easily take 10 plus years to resolve.
Anyone who thinks that leaving instantly resolves the issue is somewhat naive.
No deal Brexit, and it's resolved. No £38 billion handed over to the EU for NOTHING. Taking back our fishing grounds, using the navy if necessary.
The EU are going to play hardball with us. We need to return it with spades. There will be no trade relationship for years. Once they realise they're not getting our money, and also have lost our yearly contributions to the EU, they will go bust. They haven't had the books signed off for many years. The whole thing is a house of cards.
We need to look outwards to other English speaking nations. We have to find a way forward in very difficult circumstances. The EU despises us, and has done for years. We will see their true colours after we leave.
No deal Brexit, and it's resolved. No £38 billion handed over to the EU for NOTHING. Taking back our fishing grounds, using the navy if necessary.
Simply false.
There will then be YEARS of messing around to look forward to. You clearly state that in your own post, no trading relationship with the EU for years? What do you think that means?
Even for your stated aim of reducing immigration, a hard Brexit will do virtually nothing as UK immigration is currently coming from outside the EU. In addition a no deal dosent mean the country won't end up with freedom of movement through EFTA membership.
There will then be YEARS of messing around to look forward to. You clearly state that in your own post, no trading relationship with the EU for years? What do you think that means?
Even for your stated aim of reducing immigration, a hard Brexit will do virtually nothing as UK immigration is currently coming from outside the EU. In addition a no deal dosent mean the country won't end up with freedom of movement through EFTA membership.
It means no trade deal with the EU for years. That's what it means. We have to see Europe as lost, like in a war. Don't you get it? They despise us. All they cared about was our money contribution. Once that stops, we'll see the venom dripping our way. It's going to be hard, but they gave us no choice.
EU immigration after slowing somewhat after the 2016 vote, is growing again. Funny that....... I thought they were getting abused, and were going home? Not the case at all.
Once we're out, the next question up, is who are all these folks coming here from outside the EU? How and why? We want to know. I don't think we need any more knife killers in London do we? Or is there a shortage? Doesn't seem to be.
Freedom of movement is finished here in the UK. Any agreements letting other countries move here en mass will be resisted by the people. We have had enough of that. Or will we all have to live 12 to a house?
The winds of change are blowing. Get used to it.
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