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The only rational way forward now is a referendum to be totally sure a no deal is the actual will of the UK.
But has there been a poll of leavers?
Every single person I've seen who voted leave, meant leave.
Best case with a deal, and controlled, worst case no deal.
The only people I've seen questioning what "leave" meant, was the people who voted remain, which to be honest is irrelevant, they voted for the option other than leave, so their understanding of what leave means isn't pertinent.
So is it any wonder that the leavers object to another referendum to determine "what everyone really means by leave"?
The overall effect of a second referendum is to ignore 17.5M voters. They will feel disenfranchised, and I can see civil disturbance and violence as a result. In the words of JFK, those who will make civil revolution impossible, make armed rebellion inevitable.
The British people have never responded well to bullying so if they allow themselves to be bullied and frightened into remaining subjects of a distant bureaucracy it will be an historic turn — one that will probably be remembered as the beginning of the end of British society as we know it.
Every single person I've seen who voted leave, meant leave.
Best case with a deal, and controlled, worst case no deal.
The only people I've seen questioning what "leave" meant, was the people who voted remain, which to be honest is irrelevant, they voted for the option other than leave, so their understanding of what leave means isn't pertinent.
So is it any wonder that the leavers object to another referendum to determine "what everyone really means by leave"?
The overall effect of a second referendum is to ignore 17.5M voters. They will feel disenfranchised, and I can see civil disturbance and violence as a result. In the words of JFK, those who will make civil revolution impossible, make armed rebellion inevitable.
I,too,have yet to meet a Leaver who has changed their mind.
But I have met a number of people who voted Remain who believe the result of the referendum should be respected.
I have no hard evidence on which to base this but I suspect there are quite a few people out their who feel similarly, together with those who have become disenchanted with the shrill insults of those who lost and the heckling of Euro-oafs like Verhofsadt.
Besides, any cause that can unite Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Nicola Sturgeon has to be viewed with suspicion.
I,too,have yet to meet a Leaver who has changed their mind.
But I have met a number of people who voted Remain who believe the result of the referendum should be respected.
I have no hard evidence on which to base this but I suspect there are quite a few people out their who feel similarly, together with those who have become disenchanted with the shrill insults of those who lost and the heckling of Euro-oafs like Verhofsadt.
Besides, any cause that can unite Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Nicola Sturgeon has to be viewed with suspicion.
You have now - me!
We can all talk about 'people we know' who conveniently say they agree with our position.
It's rather like politicians claiming agreement with their view 'when I speak to people up & down the country.'
I know plenty of people who voted to leave and haven’t changed their minds one bit, I know others who are worried about their future and would change their vote given the chance.
Either way it doesn’t make an argument for not having a referendum today based on the facts at hand given the damage to the economy and people’s lives a no deal Brexit will certainly cause and no alternatives left.
There are plenty of reasons to fault the first referendum on the way it was run with little real facts about at that time and with all the polls predicting remain would win anyway.
Pushing ahead with a no deal Brexit with all that it entails, without knowing 100% this is what the majority of people want is not the way any civilized county should be run.
Today people are overloaded with information on Brexit and everyone today would be making an informed decision.
If a deal can’t be agreed in the next few weeks, I can’t see any real alternative.
And my question to you leavers, if the vote was overwhelmingly in favour of staying would you feel robbed, really ?
Every single person I've seen who voted leave, meant leave.
Best case with a deal, and controlled, worst case no deal.
The only people I've seen questioning what "leave" meant, was the people who voted remain, which to be honest is irrelevant, they voted for the option other than leave, so their understanding of what leave means isn't pertinent.
So is it any wonder that the leavers object to another referendum to determine "what everyone really means by leave"?
The overall effect of a second referendum is to ignore 17.5M voters. They will feel disenfranchised, and I can see civil disturbance and violence as a result. In the words of JFK, those who will make civil revolution impossible, make armed rebellion inevitable.
Of course their understanding of 'leave' is pertinent. Because they voted remain doesn't exclude them from input into the execution of a referendum that went against them. Should they have lost interest in the outcome because they voted remain?
So, you put forward this contrived, flawed logic to justify leavers' reluctance to hold another referendum.
You refer to 'The only people I've seen' etc,etc - how many people are we talking about here?
10?, 20?, 50,? Vague claims that infer the argument is moving in your direction. I for one voted leave but would now vote remain. I don't know how many there are who hold my view but I'd like to find out.
I have yet to hear a logical argument against another referendum. Only passionate objections to it.
Primarily because it became evident that the government was dismally failing (as they do at pretty much everything) to control immigration.
I have since formed the view that the disadvantages of leaving outweigh that concern, taking into account that the problem of uncontrolled immigration is an issue for Europe in general, and that we may best address it from within.
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