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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-18-2019, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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The original backstop meant the EU had the ability to hold Northern Ireland within a customs union in perpetuity.
The new arrangements mean the Northern Ireland protocol can be terminated.
That's why so many MPs who voted down May's deal three times will back this one.
Surely even someone as blind as you can see that.
Vickie ...
That's the critical difference to the May deal, in my opinion. It enables the UK to get on with life after BREXIT, without requiring EU sign off on it doing so. Indeed May's deal required the UK to hold trade agreements off until the EU agreed the NI backstop was no longer needed.

Further the thing only lasts until 2020 with a 2 year transition without Stormont agreement, and after that it's in the hands of the Northern Irish assembly to remove the customs checks at sea/air ports, or retain them. It would have been better to avoid NI being the UK EU customs buffer, but, you take what you can get.
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Old 10-18-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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The boss of Chatam House interviewed*on US TV said if BoJo loses the Saturday vote, there's a real possibility he'll resign to precipitate an election. Not sure how that works.

A running tally of who's in n out......

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/1...johnsons-deal/
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Old 10-18-2019, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The boss of Chatam House interviewed*on US TV said if BoJo loses the Saturday vote, there's a real possibility he'll resign to precipitate an election. Not sure how that works.

A running tally of who's in n out......

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/1...johnsons-deal/
Macron has just stated that there will be no further EU extension, and that he will personally block any extension, as France has a right to veto any extension. Macron also stated that they must move on to the next stage of talks, regardless of a no deal Brexit.

Why should Johnson resign, as there's nothing anyone can do, we now leave on the 31st October, the question is with Johnson's deal or with a no deal, and it's time for Parliament to stop playing stupid games.

It's also worth noting that even if they were try to remove Johnson, he has a legal right to contest any forming of a new Government and could remain power for over 14 days, which will take us passed the 31st October. Whilst any election would now not be until the end of November at the earliest.

Emmanuel Macron says he will veto Brexit delay - CityAM

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Old 10-18-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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David Trimble, who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in Northern Ireland, declares the deal to be fully in accordance with the Good Friday Agreement.


DUP marginalised and Labour and the Lib Dems looking increasingly silly.
The SNP have been a busted flush for some time now.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:03 AM
 
Location: England
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David Trimble, who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in Northern Ireland, declares the deal to be fully in accordance with the Good Friday Agreement.


DUP marginalised and Labour and the Lib Dems looking increasingly silly.
The SNP have been a busted flush for some time now.
The DUP could sink this deal. I'm sick to the back teeth of these backward people, living in the past.

We want this finishing. Enough with the extensions. Just get us out of the EU, and let us move on. There is much to be done, and enough time has been spent on Brexit.

If Boris loses tomorrow, then let the Labour party finally find where their balls are, and have a vote of confidence.

They won't because they know Boris will slaughter them. They will want to put it off, until they think the public have cooled down. Well, we ain't going to cool down. We have had just about enough of all this.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by Roscoe Conkling View Post
David Trimble, who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in Northern Ireland, declares the deal to be fully in accordance with the Good Friday Agreement.


DUP marginalised and Labour and the Lib Dems looking increasingly silly.
The SNP have been a busted flush for some time now.


Either way tomorrow Johnson wins.

As if he gets his deal through he can claim the credit.

If he doesn't get his deal through then he can blame Corbyn for a No Deal Brexit.

I think everyone is sick and tired of the silly games being played in Parliament and also via the Courts and our parliament and courts are now little more than a joke and the laughing stock opf the world.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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Macron has just stated that there will be no further EU extension, and that he will personally block any extension
'unless there are any major changes' he added to that.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:08 AM
 
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I'm sick to the back teeth of these backward people, living in the past.
I've heard that said about Brexiteers a few times over the past three years!
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: England
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I've heard that said about Brexiteers a few times over the past three years!
Brexiteers aren't living in the past. We are looking forward to a better future.

Free. Free at last.......
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:13 AM
 
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Yeah, right...
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