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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-18-2019, 10:13 AM
 
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Well, 6000 posts in and what have we learned? You’re almost at the end of the beginning...
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:20 AM
 
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Well, 6000 posts in and what have we learned? You’re almost at the end of the beginning...
It was good enough for Churchill, so it's good enough for us.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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Well, 6000 posts in and what have we learned? You’re almost at the end of the beginning...
Well currently looking a NI being in a separated by a border and market permanently so the answer yes.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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Well, 6000 posts in and what have we learned?

How few people " who didn't know what they were voting for " appear to have changed their minds now it has been explained to them again.
And that MPs who claimed they were only acting in the interests of parliamentary democracy by impeding Brexit have been revealed as liars.
And how totally inept Comrade Corbyn really is.
Other than that not much.
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Old 10-18-2019, 04:22 PM
 
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I believe Corbyn’s supposed issue with the new deal is that it doesn’t do enough for workers and the environment. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t The British Parliament be free to do whatever it can pass for workers rights and the environment under the new deal? I can understand the SNP’s(Brexit would really put their independence dreams on ice)Liberal Democrat, and even the DUP’s issues with the deal, but I don’t quite understand Labor’s. What exactly is Labor’s alternative proposal? This all just looks like more division, dither, and delay to me.

Labor’s exact position on Brexit and what sort of resolution it seeks is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
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Old 10-18-2019, 04:30 PM
 
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I believe Corbyn’s supposed issue with the new deal is that it doesn’t do enough for workers and the environment. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t The British Parliament be free to do whatever it can pass for workers rights and the environment under the new deal? I can understand the SNP’s, Liberal Democrat, and even the DUP’s issues with the deal, but I don’t quite understand Labor’s. What exactly is Labor’s alternative proposal? This all just looks like more division, dither, and delay to me.

Labor’s exact position on Brexit and what sort of resolution it seeks is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
What this is really about, is Corbyn's fear of this appearing to be a triumph for Boris Johnson. He knows the result of that, would be a huge victory for Boris's Tory party in a General Election.

So, he has to try and find reasons why Labour can't vote to accept the deal. It's all about trying to save his own political skin. He's finished if this deal gets through Parliament tomorrow.
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Old 10-18-2019, 06:08 PM
 
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Doesn't do enough for workers re that groan Corbyn thoughts - you are a bit out of things TylerJAX. More people working than for decades, wages up more people not paying tax and so it goes on. Now minimum wages going up again all without that Marxist leaning joker. It is as loppy as the SNP bunch of modern Jacobites groaning about losing out on the EU. That is a daft thing they get away with when one realises that only 25% of Scotland's economy is EU leaning! That lot also lost MP seats in northeast Scotland because the fishing communities wanted to get rid of the EU controls on their traditional fishing grounds.

Even if raining Saturday wil lturn outn to be fascinating!
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:34 PM
 
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Wishing you best of luck today.
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:49 PM
 
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So, he has to try and find reasons why Labour can't vote to accept the deal. It's all about trying to save his own political skin. He's finished if this deal gets through Parliament tomorrow.
The vote today is just pantomime. Johnson would need an extension to implement it anyhow.

If the deal doesn't go through it'll lead to a general election, then he'll vote it through when he has a majority. Doubt it effects the actual leave date.

About the only alternative that would amount to anything would be if the deal gets through but with a confirmatory referendum attached. Johnson could remove it next parliament but would look like a right arse. Doubt that would go through as it would require Labour to put country ahead of party and they are still living in the fantasy that Corbyn could win an election.
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Old 10-19-2019, 02:45 AM
 
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I believe Corbyn’s supposed issue with the new deal is that it doesn’t do enough for workers and the environment. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t The British Parliament be free to do whatever it can pass for workers rights and the environment under the new deal? I can understand the SNP’s(Brexit would really put their independence dreams on ice)Liberal Democrat, and even the DUP’s issues with the deal, but I don’t quite understand Labor’s. What exactly is Labor’s alternative proposal? This all just looks like more division, dither, and delay to me.

Labor’s exact position on Brexit and what sort of resolution it seeks is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
You're not wrong.

The deal is orthogonal to workers rights and the environment. Unfortunately we live in a political climate that tries to conflate several issues together, which works fine until they don't, then you end up having to replace several pieces of law at the same time.
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