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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-30-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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True, it will be interesting when the same crap goes on but there’s no EU to pin the blame on.


Boris seems to have boxed himself into another corner with his time frame for negotiations with the EU, nobody but him thinks theres a cat in hells chance of getting the basics in place in time, hopefully he’ll see sense and extend to get the best deal possible but who knows...
Maybe, but then there's no motivation for the EU to hurry negotiations on if there's no deadline. Typical public servants bitching and whining about working to a deadline.

It's certainly doable, if the will is there.
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Old 12-30-2019, 11:45 AM
 
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Politicians can and often do push anything off. Leaving the EU doesn’t necessarily rid you of that scapegoat. I’m sure that many remainers will blame the EU for many of the problems that may be faced by Brexiting for years to come. The rather visceral hatred of the EU that is espoused by many on here ain’t going to dissipate after you leave. That I’m rather sure of.
Who can.they blame? It all on them, because they're in control. They own it and have the ability to control it. Who has more authority in the UK than the UK government?

It's not like Priti Patel can't blame the opposition, or her own party, or some of the cabinet. That's SOP.

However Parliament can't claim that they need to raise taxes to fund an increase in EU dues, or that Reeces Pieces can't be imported because it violates EU regulations. They own it 100% and they have control of it, and they're accountable for it.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:26 PM
 
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. . . You argue against a union because each member state is different and have different needs but have lived in the US where the same argument is valid, but those states combined makes the US the strongest nation on earth at this time.. . .
The same US that fought a war of independence from the UK because it objected to being governed by a distant, unaccountable bureaucracy? The same US that recently elected a president who supports Brexit and campaigned on a promise to secure America's border against uncontrolled immigration?

With NAFTA falling apart as a failed experiment that primarily benefited the wealthy at the expense of American workers the trend in North America is clearly decentralization a la Brexit.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:56 PM
 
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The same US that fought a war of independence from the UK because it objected to being governed by a distant, unaccountable bureaucracy? The same US that recently elected a president who supports Brexit and campaigned on a promise to secure America's border against uncontrolled immigration?

With NAFTA falling apart as a failed experiment that primarily benefited the wealthy at the expense of American workers the trend in North America is clearly decentralization a la Brexit.
I guess Lincoln was wrong then and he should’ve just let the South secede.
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Old 12-30-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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I guess Lincoln was wrong then and he should’ve just let the South secede.
Should the UK let Scotland secede if it believes its best interests are served by independence or is the threat of force the more rational course of action?
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Old 12-30-2019, 02:47 PM
 
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America should have just let the CSA secede and as I have always been of the view that when we get the stuff about the Colonies not wanting ruled by the upper folk 3,000 miles away what did they do? The upper class in the 13 colonies did the revolution and have ran the place ever since. Just nodded to my wall picture of General Lee again.......
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Old 12-30-2019, 03:41 PM
 
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Just read the following which is interesting.

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Fascinating maps show huge divide between younger and older voters in general election

data from the election shows that if only 18 to 24-year-olds had voted, Labour would have won a massive 544 seats and the Tories would have secured just four.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4323171.html
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Old 12-30-2019, 04:18 PM
 
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The same US that fought a war of independence from the UK because it objected to being governed by a distant, unaccountable bureaucracy? The same US that recently elected a president who supports Brexit and campaigned on a promise to secure America's border against uncontrolled immigration?

With NAFTA falling apart as a failed experiment that primarily benefited the wealthy at the expense of American workers the trend in North America is clearly decentralization a la Brexit.
So are we going to see 50 independent states and a disbanding of the USA any time soon? Your argument seems to suggest that it would be better all round for everybody if that happened.

The US would never do that as Americans know it would make them weaker and less prosperous overall, but many of them wish it on others outside the US it seems, encourage the squashing of any moves by other countries to come together with a united voice to fight for their own interests, 'divide et impera'?
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Old 12-30-2019, 04:19 PM
 
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Just read the following which is interesting.
Sounds about right. A bunch of people who found it too much trouble to vote would have voted for Big Brussels if they had.
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Old 12-30-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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So are we going to see 50 independent states and a disbanding of the USA any time soon? Your argument seems to suggest that it would be better all round for everybody if that happened.

The US would never do that as Americans know it would make them weaker and less prosperous overall, but many of them wish it on others outside the US it seems, encourage the squashing of any moves by other countries to come together with a united voice to fight for their own interests, 'divide et impera'?
I don't support the disbanding of the UK. I did support the disbanding of the Soviet Union though.
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