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..........The firm, which sold £180,000 of cheese to the EU last year, found that every £25-30 gift box of cheese it sends to consumers on the Continent now needs a veterinary-approved health certificate costing £180."...........
And so what? It's not like the EU is the only place to sell cheese. The EU is protecting their dairy industry, so more power to them.
But the USA takes a lot of British cheese and Irish butter. Ive got a block of English cheddar in my refrigerator right now. Send some more.
And so what? It's not like the EU is the only place to sell cheese. The EU is protecting their dairy industry, so more power to them.
But the USA takes a lot of British cheese and Irish butter. Ive got a block of English cheddar in my refrigerator right now. Send some more.
I do laugh when people start pointing to agriculture and fisheries.
In 2019, agriculture contributed around 0.61 percent to the United Kingdom's GDP, whilst fishing contributed 0.2%. Around 17.41 percent came from the manufacturing industry, and 71.26 percent from the services sector. The vast majority of the UK's GDP is generated by the services sector with finance and other realted services being of particular importance.
In 2019, the service industries accounted for 80% of total UK economic output (Gross Value Added). Services accounted for 82% of employment in July-September 2020.
The UK was given an agricultural rebate by the then EEC in the 1980's, because it has a far smaller agricultural sector than many other EU countries.
The UK food can be used to increase home grown sustainability from the current 64%, something that we were looking to do anyway, whilst food can also be exported beyond the EU, and the sane is true of imports to the UK.
Sure, apparently fishermen can manage, but cheese makers can't.
The point I'm making thatvwas missed is...
Either Scots fishermen are illegally landing catches in Denmark, or, Cheesemakers don't need a £180 certificate for every £25 presentation box of cheese. Both can't be true, unless there's some seriously arbitrary laws going on.
The UK food can be used to increase home grown sustainability from the current 64%, something that we were looking to do anyway, whilst food can also be exported beyond the EU, and the sane is true of imports to the UK.
I think M&S exports to Paris are obligatory, the Parisiennes are revolting over missing out on various M&S exotics made in the UK.
Sure, apparently fishermen can manage, but cheese makers can't.
The point I'm making thatvwas missed is...
Either Scots fishermen are illegally landing catches in Denmark, or, Cheesemakers don't need a £180 certificate for every £25 presentation box of cheese. Both can't be true, unless there's some seriously arbitrary laws going on.
If mechanisms are in place, are they landing illegally?
That doesn't rule out arbitrary laws....
I think M&S exports to Paris are obligatory, the Parisiennes are revolting over missing out on various M&S exotics made in the UK.
That is a shame for the Parisians, however that's up to the EU.
The EU are not going to somehow beat us in to submission through agriculture and fisheries, as they are tiny industries, and we can replace imported goods with our own market and become more sustainable.
Finance is more of an issue in terms of the UK.
The UK is currently negotiating equivalency, however beyond this we will trade in the same way that other countries with equivalency trade such as the US and more especially New York.
At the same time the UK is building a new relationship with Switzerland, a major financial centre, in 2012 the Swiss proposed the F4 alliance of leading non-European international financial centres to help thrash out deals on access to EU markets. The UK was asked to join after Brexit in 2016.
Switzerland, London, Hong Kong and Singapore will pool ideas and resources under a plan put forward by Patrick Odier, chairman of the Swiss association., as well as using their power and influence to secure deals.
The “F4” alliance means London joining Switzerland as a financial centre operating outside the bloc, along with other major financial centres across the world, as well as the possibility of more financial centres joining the organisation.
Either Scots fishermen are illegally landing catches in Denmark, or, Cheesemakers don't need a £180 certificate for every £25 presentation box of cheese. Both can't be true, unless there's some seriously arbitrary laws going on.
There's a difference between a processed/manufactured dairy product sold directly to the consumer vs. a catch of fish hauled out of the North Sea being transferred to a wholesaler.
The EU are not going to somehow beat us in to submission through agriculture and fisheries, as they are tiny industries, and we can replace imported goods with our own market and become more sustainable.
Yay, Victory Gardens.
Kinda funny that fisheries are suddenly not really that important, after they were trotted out as a major pro-Brexit argument. Something's rotting on the docks of Scotland.
Kinda funny that fisheries are suddenly not really that important, after they were trotted out as a major pro-Brexit argument. Something's rotting on the docks of Scotland.
I think I have explained fishing numerous times.
There is serious over fishing and this needs to stop, whilst most of the fish caught can either sustain the UK market or be frozen for new markets overseas.
The vast majority of seafood is not perishable and can be either refrigerated or frozen on trucks, so the amounts talked about are not vast, and any supplier damaged should be compensated by the UK Government. Whilst in terms of fresh perishable sea food their is a significant and growing home grown market.
I bought some prawns at the supermarket the other day, and they were from Nicaragua.
So if Nicaragua can export fish products to the UK then the UK can also export beyond the EU.
In terms of the fishing industry, where were all the great protectors of the fishing industry and UK waters when our fleet was decimated after joining the EEC back in the 70's, as that's the real reason the fishing industry is now tiny.
Vast fishing fleets and towns from Cornwall to Grimsby to Peterhead saw massoive decline after we joined the Common Market, which then became the EEC and which became the federalist EU.
As for what the fisherman really wanted, here's their letter to Boris Johnson in which they criticise the current Brexit deal and called for the UK to break free of an asymmetric and fundamentally exploitative relationship with the EU.
This is what real fisherman think, and not the idiotic stories in the media. Whilst in terms of fresh produce the EU is intent on playing games and pulling trucks over for anything they can think of, instead of making such produce a priority. It's all rather pathetic but then again we expect nothing else from the EU, and it should be noted that UK imports of Cod and Haddock mainly come from Norway, Iceland, the Faroe Islands etc and not the EU.
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Originally Posted by The National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations (NFFO)
Fishing Rights and the EU
Dear Prime Minister,
In our hearts, many of us in the fishing industry feared that when the fate of hundreds of thousands of diverse businesses and livelihoods across the UK hung in the balance with fishing rights, you would be obliged to sacrifice the fishing industry. Everything, however, that you, and others at the very top of government told us, and also told Parliament the general public, led us to believe that your stance on fishing was not just rhetoric or expedience, but was based around a principle – that a sovereign country should be able to control who fishes in its own waters and should be able to harvest the fish resources in its own waters primarily for its own people. That proved not to be the case.
It is not that, in the end, you were forced to concede in the face of an intransigent and powerful opponent that has caused such fury across our industry, it is that you have tried to present the Christmas eve Agreement as a major success when it is patently clear that it is not. A quick comparison of what we face from 1st January with the EU’s fisheries relationship with Norway, spells out the scale of our defeat. Quota shares do not reflect anything like the resources within our EEZ, and access will not be through annual negotiation but will continue to be an automatic right for the EU fleets, even to within 6 miles of our coastline.
Your public statements have focussed on when the 5 and a-half-years adjustment period expires. One does not have to be too much of a cynic to consider that we have entered a form of Groundhog Day, when the EU will keep us tied into a CFP-type arrangement on quota shares and access by repeatedly exerting its ability to bring greater economic power to bear on the UK, who after protests will again and again capitulate. Depressingly, we will remain tied into a neo-colonial relationship with the EU on fish, despite our rights under international law, for long into the future.
This was our moment in the political sun – a small but symbolically significant industry had an opportunity to break free of an asymmetric and fundamentally exploitative relationship with the EU. We failed in this agreement to break out of that grip, and it would be much better if you, with humility and honesty, conceded that you tried but failed – rather than implying that you had handed us the keys of our liberation, when you have not.
Nothing in this letter will change the facts on the ground. But I thought that it was important that you receive directly the fishing industry’s feelings at this missed opportunity at a crucial historical juncture.
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Not all the peeps in the trade hold the same views.....maybe you should just recognise that there are differing opinions dependent on where you sit, rather than insisting everything is hunky dory.
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