What is a subtropical climate? (measurable, Connecticut, snow, hot)

[ghost-likin]

The US South is Subtropical,but with Continental Influence just like Southeastern China.

Other Example is Melbourne,an Oceanic Climate where can get 40C+ in Summer.

Tropical climates of Central South America have an great Continental Influence too,for example Cuiabá(15S/190m),with Record low of 2.2C.

Tell me another Tropical Place(Low Altitude) where can get anomalys like that,who affects even Amazon and Northern Hemisphere:

[tom77falcons]

Originally Posted by ghost-likin

The US South is Subtropical,but with Continental Influence just like Southeastern China.

Other Example is Melbourne,an Oceanic Climate where can get 40C+ in Summer.

Tropical climates of Central South America have an great Continental Influence too,for example Cuiabá(15S/190m),with Record low of 2.2C.

Tell me another Tropical Place(Low Altitude) where can get anomalys like that,who affects even Amazon and Northern Hemisphere:

One important factor about China. Far more stable in winter than the Southeast US.

[ghost-likin]

Originally Posted by tom77falcons

One important factor about China. Far more stable in winter than the Southeast US.

Yes,i Agree,but sometimes South China can get Some Cold Temperatures just like this Last January.

[srfoskey]

Originally Posted by Joe90

Subtropical climates are temperate climates, so that assertion wouldn't make much sense.

Okay. I meant your stereotypical four season climate (e.g. Hartford, CT).
Avg. temp West Palm Beach, FL: 75.4 F
Avg. temp Hartford, CT: 50.5 F
Avg. temp Raleigh, NC: 60.8 F

60.8 is closer to 50.5 than 75.4, so Raleigh is not subtropical.

Originally Posted by muslim12

I'm done with this. Me and Smith and asagi are people who live In the south. We have all told you guys what it's like yet you refuse to believe. That is ignorance. Who is more knowledgeable about the south? Someone who lives there or someone who doesnt?

Is anyone even arguing over whether or not Houston or any other gulf coast location is subtropical?
I thought people were arguing over the region from US Hwy 84 to I-40 or so. I live near you and disagree with you over our location's subtropicalness. So I already agreed with asagi that his area is subtropical. And I'll grant smithgn that Columbia, SC does have some subtropical characteristics.

[tom77falcons]

Originally Posted by srfoskey

Okay. I meant your stereotypical four season climate (e.g. Hartford, CT).



Is anyone even arguing over whether or not Houston or any other gulf coast location is subtropical?
I thought people were arguing over the region from US Hwy 84 to I-40 or so. I live near you and disagree with you over our location's subtropicalness. So I already agreed with asagi that his area is subtropical. And I'll grant smithgn that Columbia, SC does have some subtropical characteristics.

Agreed. Coastal areas about 10-15 miles inland around Charleston and as you head south the width would increase. But no more than 50 miles north of the upper Gulf Coast.


Places like Atlanta, Jackson, MS, Montgomery, AL no way. Just get too cold and can't grow decent citrus or more tender palms. Columbia would be pushing it imo.

[tom77falcons]

Originally Posted by ghost-likin

Yes,i Agree,but sometimes South China can get Some Cold Temperatures just like this Last January.

I wonder just how far they deviated from their avg lows though. Inland cities in the South, heck even Savannah, GA have gone more than 35F below their avg low. 3F in Jan 1985 in Savannah is pretty bad considering the avg low is around 40F. I just don't think anywhere else on earth at that latitude and sea level can go that far below their avg winter low.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by MadMatrix

The "sabal minor" in Louisiana are of a trunking form, and actually do form robust, above-ground trunks, when in a matured state. They are coined as "Sabal Louisiana."

Very subtropical palms, they even grow in the subtropics of Oklahoma & Sweden...

[ghost-likin]

Originally Posted by tom77falcons

I wonder just how far they deviated from their avg lows though. Inland cities in the South, heck even Savannah, GA have gone more than 35F below their avg low. 3F in Jan 1985 in Savannah is pretty bad considering the avg low is around 40F. I just don't think anywhere else on earth at that latitude and sea level can go that far below their avg winter low.

This is the Diference,they Winter average is lower than the Us,because this when they get some cold the Anomaly isnt big as the US.

[Infamous92]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Very subtropical palms, they even grow in the subtropics of Oklahoma & Sweden...

Not sure what you're getting it, Oklahoma is much warmer than Sweden, and they're actually native to Oklahoma.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Infamous92

Not sure what you're getting it, Oklahoma is much warmer than Sweden, and they're actually native to Oklahoma.

I was getting at the fact they are very cold tolerant, one of the most cold hardy palms there is... Oklahoma may have hot summers, but they get very cold winters. If a palm can grow there or in Sweden it isn't a very "subtropical" plant is it...