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Old 09-02-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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A frost can form at temperatures above freezing, while a freeze is simply at or below freezing temperatures. I think some sources use 36 F (2.2 C) as the criteria for a frost.
Ok. Well using that then:

first frost: June 5th
First freeze: NEVER
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:34 PM
 
Location: In transition
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First frost - October 27th
First freeze - November 19th
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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We're overdue for a cool winter, but part of me also feels like the recent warm bull**** is just our new climate regime.



A frost can form at temperatures above freezing, while a freeze is simply at or below freezing temperatures. I think some sources use 36 F (2.2 C) as the criteria for a frost.
I just don't see any reason why we'd have anything but a warmer than normal winter with La Niña and a strong SE ridge.


Hopefully I'm wrong.
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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I just don't see any reason why we'd have anything but a warmer than normal winter with La Niña and a strong SE ridge.


Hopefully I'm wrong.
The SE ridge seems to be somewhat squashed right now as there has been below normal temps a lot north of us in GA, SC, NC, TN, etc. Hopefully it doesn't become prominent in October/November. Also, La Nina doesn't necessarily automatically mean above normal here. 08-09 was La Nina and I remember that winter being cool down here. I believe 2010-2011 was La Nina as well.
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Syrmia, Northern Serbia, near 45 N
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Here in my town first frost on average is between 15th and 20th October.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:03 PM
 
Location: White House, TN
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For Bowling Green, KY:

Frost (36 F) - October 9

Freeze (32 F) - October 24

Hard freeze (28 F) - October 24

Very hard freeze (24 F) - November 15

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Daily mean below freezing - November 26

Ice day (high below freezing) - December 9
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, BC
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The SE ridge seems to be somewhat squashed right now as there has been below normal temps a lot north of us in GA, SC, NC, TN, etc. Hopefully it doesn't become prominent in October/November. Also, La Nina doesn't necessarily automatically mean above normal here. 08-09 was La Nina and I remember that winter being cool down here. I believe 2010-2011 was La Nina as well.
08-09 was a great winter in the PNW. Not too often that both the NW and the SE have cool/cold winters.
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Old 09-05-2017, 03:27 AM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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Tavelsjö got a frost this morning. Umeå hit 0'C at the airport frost hollow. Might hit negatives this morning.
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Old 09-05-2017, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Tavelsjö got a frost this morning. Umeå hit 0'C at the airport frost hollow. Might hit negatives this morning.
Ugh

Earlier than normal surely?
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Old 09-05-2017, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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We're overdue for a cool winter, but part of me also feels like the recent warm bull**** is just our new climate regime.



A frost can form at temperatures above freezing, while a freeze is simply at or below freezing temperatures. I think some sources use 36 F (2.2 C) as the criteria for a frost.
I generally consider a freeze what the NOAA uses for a hard freeze, or temps below -2°C for 5+ hours

And I consider 0°C to -2°C a frost
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