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Old 10-27-2021, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Originally Posted by Ed's Mountain View Post
It also implies the climate of New Orleans is the same as the climate of Birdsville.
It is just based off of biotemperature and doesn't take moisture and precipitation into account.

Some subtropical areas are dry and some are warm.

Phoenix is subtropical and dry while Charleston is subtropical and wet.
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Old 10-27-2021, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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It is just based off of biotemperature and doesn't take moisture and precipitation into account.

Some subtropical areas are dry and some are warm.

Phoenix is subtropical and dry while Charleston is subtropical and wet.
So what are the characteristics of maritime vegetation? - if bio temperature aligns with vegetation, then shouldn't there be a commonality that over rides any other differences, between the vegetation in my area and Belgium's vegetation?
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Old 10-27-2021, 03:37 PM
 
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While I understand the 6C threshold, it would put Atlanta metropolitan area in the northern edge, I'm more comfortable with Knoxville.

I don't know why people believe leaveless dormant trees make a climate not subtropical.
Atlanta is a strange case. Because it's at elevation it's going to be colder than someplace like Augusta by a little bit. There has got to be a massive UHI in Atlanta metro though which might offset things if we look at recent averages as opposed to the full historical ones.

Atlanta in winter is a mix of green and brown:

https://goo.gl/maps/9RsSW4uqjSrXiwTUA
https://goo.gl/maps/uoGXH9LsJh3JC1BM9


There is a pretty stark autumn period here early December, with things beginning to green again in late March. It lines up almost perfectly with the official dates of winter.

For example take a look at this streetview from November, then the same street in December:
https://goo.gl/maps/D4KDTkxyyNawtzyG7
https://goo.gl/maps/zpgmp5qSVAiCkrkP7

OCT:
https://goo.gl/maps/PHqzF2LjPC8TsS2w7

FEB:
https://goo.gl/maps/EHYz7E6mHzEaMVpg7

MAR:
https://goo.gl/maps/sNRCHUUNBh51vPN17

APR:
https://goo.gl/maps/fw53nTE4Fp5TMk3q9
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Old 10-27-2021, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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But humid subtropical is supposed to be describing a climate with hot, muggy summers where it is the dominate season and milder, cooler winters. Mildness is going to differ in feel from person to person but what Koppen/Trewartha were getting at was a largely snowfree winter climate. Even a place that might average 3 or 4 snowfalls annually while the rest of winter precipitation is rain is usually going to have temps that are averaging way above freezing.
Largely snow-free is an easy hurdle to clear and would include places like DC and Philadelphia. Unless you mean to say Hunting Island has the same climate as Philadelphia?
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Old 10-27-2021, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Katy, Texas
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It also implies the climate of New Orleans is the same as the climate of Birdsville.
And yet you want to place Miami with its 20C Jan avg together with New Orleans and Savannah, contradicting yourself again?

Go ahead and look at pics of Miami...does it not "look" tropical? Not distinguishable from Cuba or the Bahamas

Rick Santos??!!
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Old 10-27-2021, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Originally Posted by Ed's Mountain View Post
It also implies the climate of New Orleans is the same as the climate of Birdsville.
And yet you want to place Miami with its 20C Jan avg together with New Orleans and Savannah, contradicting yourself again?

Go ahead and look at pics of Miami...does it not "look" tropical? Not distinguishable from Cuba or the Bahamas

Rick Santos??!!
I think you're confused. What does any of that have to do with New Orleans vs Birdsville?
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Old 10-27-2021, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Katy, Texas
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I think you're confused. What does any of that have to do with New Orleans vs Birdsville?
If the lower end of subtropical is 6-10C, what is the upper end??
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Old 10-27-2021, 07:00 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free...Jersey#Climate

I would not classify this as a continental climate. It has a clearly summer dominant seasonal pattern and the small diurnal ranges and humid weather that it would definitely be humid subtropical.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Reinga#Climate

This one would be too mild in the summer to be subtropical, too oceanic, but borderline.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hami...ermuda#Climate

This one is humid subtropical, but almost tropical and shouldn’t be used as a middle of the road example, but it probably is closer to the examples being listed. The only cities that aren’t controversial seem to be Bermuda, Tampa, Brisbane, Durban and places that sit right on the borderline of tropical when really places like St Louis, Philadelphia and Yancheng would be good examples too, just on the other end of the spectrum
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Old 10-27-2021, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free...Jersey#Climate

I would not classify this as a continental climate. It has a clearly summer dominant seasonal pattern and the small diurnal ranges and humid weather that it would definitely be humid subtropical.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Reinga#Climate

This one would be too mild in the summer to be subtropical, too oceanic, but borderline.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hami...ermuda#Climate
Cape Reinga is nothing but Oceanic in my view - Oceanic just explains all climates within the temperate zone that are temperature moderated in all seasons due to prevailing winds coming from the sea. However it does have a subtropical environment.
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Old 10-27-2021, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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So what are the characteristics of maritime vegetation? - if bio temperature aligns with vegetation, then shouldn't there be a commonality that over rides any other differences, between the vegetation in my area and Belgium's vegetation?
I was implying that I was talking about North America when I mentioned "subtropical vegetation". North America has distinct Oceanic vegetation too on the West Coast. I apologize for the confusion.
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