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View Poll Results: Which one is more subtropical?
North Carolina 14 51.85%
North Island NZ 10 37.04%
Both in their way 4 14.81%
None 0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-19-2024, 11:40 AM
 
Location: St. Pete Beach, FL
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North Carolina has a more typical subtropical climate like Eastern North America or East Asia. New Zealand has a very mild, and rarer version of a subtropical climate. Neither one is more subtropical. We may need Subtropical oceanic, and Subtropical continental climate zones though.
Subtropical oceanic??? Subtropical is like oceanic but hot summers, you are doing backwards here. NZ is oceanic but very mild making it have more biodiversity.
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Old 04-19-2024, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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New Zealand is just oceanic, I don’t know why people don’t understand.
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Subtropical = Hot summers and mild winters (like the Southeastern United States, Southern Brazil, Southern Japan, The Mediterranean).

Oceanic = Mild summers and mild winters (like New Zealand, Tasmania, the British Isles, the Pacific Northwest).

Many subtropical climates can get cooler in the winter, but usually not enough for cold winter things like frozen lakes and consistent snow cover.
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Old 04-20-2024, 12:04 AM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Subtropical = Hot summers and mild winters (like the Southeastern United States, Southern Brazil, Southern Japan, The Mediterranean).

Oceanic = Mild summers and mild winters (like New Zealand, Tasmania, the British Isles, the Pacific Northwest).

Many subtropical climates can get cooler in the winter, but usually not enough for cold winter things like frozen lakes and consistent snow cover.

Yep, and as long as it's understood that these categories afford no ability to predict the ecology and enviroment of any places within them, then it's all hunky dory.
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Old 04-20-2024, 02:03 AM
 
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Exactly


Subtropical = Hot summers and mild winters (like the Southeastern United States, Southern Brazil, Southern Japan, The Mediterranean).

Oceanic = Mild summers and mild winters (like New Zealand, Tasmania, the British Isles, the Pacific Northwest).

Many subtropical climates can get cooler in the winter, but usually not enough for cold winter things like frozen lakes and consistent snow cover.
The Mediterranean is not the best example. Parts of Southeastern Europe are. Eastern Australia below central and northern Queensland and above (about) Victoria is as well.
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Old 04-20-2024, 02:08 AM
 
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Yep, and as long as it's understood that these categories afford no ability to predict the ecology and enviroment of any places within them, then it's all hunky dory.
Those groups he sorted, bar the inclusion of “the Mediterranean”, pretty neatly groups together global climate regions with similar vegetation to each other.

East and Southeast Asian and Eastern and Southeastern North American subtropical zones are fairly similar, floristically. Southeastern European subtropical zones are scant and hard to evaluate, but the next parallel would be South American and Australasian subtropical zones, and those are also quite similar, floristically. Oceanic/Mediterranean western USA is similar, floristically, to Oceanic/Mediterranean South America, which is similar, floristically, to Oceanic/Mediterranean Australasia, which is similar to Oceanic/Mediterranean Europe…
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Old 04-20-2024, 02:10 AM
 
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Subtropical oceanic??? Subtropical is like oceanic but hot summers, you are doing backwards here. NZ is oceanic but very mild making it have more biodiversity.
You guys are completely missing the mark - as already displayed by concrete data, New Zealand is very un-biodiverse. It ranks very low on species diversity.
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Old 04-20-2024, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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You guys are completely missing the mark - as already displayed by concrete data, New Zealand is very un-biodiverse. It ranks very low on species diversity.
Plants and animals do well here in New Zealand, our primary industry is Agriculture and Horticulture.
Lack of Winter and year-round rainfall here means that quite a few introduced plant species have become a major pest problem



New Zealand is unusual, it has no native land mammals apart from 2 species of bat. Before man arrived, birds had no predators. Many of NZs native animals/ plants are only found in New Zealand.
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Old 04-20-2024, 08:14 AM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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Those groups he sorted, bar the inclusion of “the Mediterranean”, pretty neatly groups together global climate regions with similar vegetation to each other.

East and Southeast Asian and Eastern and Southeastern North American subtropical zones are fairly similar, floristically. Southeastern European subtropical zones are scant and hard to evaluate, but the next parallel would be South American and Australasian subtropical zones, and those are also quite similar, floristically. Oceanic/Mediterranean western USA is similar, floristically, to Oceanic/Mediterranean South America, which is similar, floristically, to Oceanic/Mediterranean Australasia, which is similar to Oceanic/Mediterranean Europe…
I believe subtropical climates are the Cfa, Cwa, and Csa. Csa is hot summer Mediterranean which is just basically a dry summer subtropical.
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Old 04-20-2024, 08:15 AM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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You guys are completely missing the mark - as already displayed by concrete data, New Zealand is very un-biodiverse. It ranks very low on species diversity.
Well I think you are right, but many species can be grown indicating a mild environment.
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Old 04-20-2024, 08:18 AM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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Subtropical = Hot summers and mild winters (like the Southeastern United States, Southern Brazil, Southern Japan, The Mediterranean).

Oceanic = Mild summers and mild winters (like New Zealand, Tasmania, the British Isles, the Pacific Northwest).

Many subtropical climates can get cooler in the winter, but usually not enough for cold winter things like frozen lakes and consistent snow cover.
I agree very well with that too.
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