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The most northerly true sub-tropical climate must surely be the Azores?
I agree with the "true" definition for the Azores. The level of winter warmth, combined with the rainfall make it truly subtropical to me. The Azores are in a different league for winter warmth compared to the northern Mediterranean, Northern California, most of NZ etc, and the vast range of true subtropical plants grown there shows it.
NZ has some climates not too dissimilar, although they tend to be wetter and sunnier.
Azores being around 38N lat, and having a solid subtropical climate, I think we have the answer here as to the most northern subtropical climate. The Azores do very well for their lat, considering they have the same January mean temp as St. Augustine Florida at 29.9N latitude. Considerably warmer in winter than east coast USA cities of lower lat like Charleston and Savannah. Charleston has Jan monthly mean temp of 49f, while Azores average 57f. Record low in Azores is something like 25f.
Summer is a little cool for me, and I'm surprised about the ocean temps. Seems in July and August surf temps are in the upper 60's to low 70's. Not bad but not as warm as the east coast of the US.
Most northern subtropical , some say, is Sochi (Russia) on the Black sea , as high as 43° North Latitude. Of course I don't believe one minute the southeastern Black sea coast is "subtropical", neither the Russian nor the Georgian nor the Turkish one, at the most they are a humid variation of the Mediterranean climate further south!
If we count mediterranean climates as subtropical then it would be somewhere along the northern coast of the Adriatic sea - NW Croatia / Slovenia / NE Italy. Or maybe somewhere further north in Europe, depending on the exact definition of "subtropical".
This is why many of the classification criteria are flawed as some places would appear to be sub-tropical, when they are clearly not...
Hence my saying that the most northerly "true" sub-tropical climate is more than likely the Azores...
If we don't know what subtropical (or "true" subtropical as a sub-category) really means then that's an empty statement. I can't say if it's true since I don't know what it means.
If we don't know what subtropical (or "true" subtropical as a sub-category) really means then that's an empty statement. I can't say if it's true since I don't know what it means.
Well I think most of us know which sort of places have sub-tropical climates & the weather that these places get, so I don't think it's an empty statement at all.
Would you consider Tenerife to be more sub-tropical than Sochi?
People are taking some of the classification criteria for a sub-tropical climate too literally, without actually looking into the climates of places. Many places that people are suggesting have a sub-tropical climate actually are already classed in either a Mediterranean or temperate type climate, when a "true" sub-tropical is quite clearly different...
Would you consider Tenerife to be more sub-tropical than Sochi?
Yes, because Tenerife is warmer. But I consider Sochi subtropical too. Why wouldn't it be subtropical?
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Many places that people are suggesting have a sub-tropical climate actually are already classed in either a Mediterranean or temperate type climate, when a "true" sub-tropical is quite clearly different...
Mediterranean climates are usually considered subtropical, especially in Europe where the mediterranean climates have warm summers. BTW Tenerife has rainfall concentrated in winter while summers are dry and some parts of the island have very low rainfall (the capital Santa Cruz has 214 mm per year) - does that mean these places are not subtropical? Santa Cruz also doesn't meet the minimum 18°C for daily mean in the coldest month to be a tropical climate only by 0.1°C.
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