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Well, I've had a vodka tonic so I'll come back tomorrow to reply to your good points (ya know...tonic has quinine...lol...kidding!). But, for the record, I'm not afraid...you asked about my fear. Honestly, I'm not afraid when I put my seat belt on, and I'm not afraid when I do the socially responsible thing: distancing. It's just smart.
But for now, well, best for me to come back tomorrow.
Enjoy that tonic! Our weapon of choice has been bourbon, but it's all good! I'm glad you're not afraid!
I was going to formulate a thoughtful response, but this was so lazy, hysterical, and reactionary that I won't even bother. Nothing I carefully and purposefully wrote previously was even considered by you so there's no use. No, I will not and do not wear a mask. Come find me in line at Trader Joe's and ask me.
We clearly have differing opinions AND no, I'm not lazy, hysterical, nor reactionary. I'm a highly educated person, who has come to this opinion/conclusion after research and much thought. I'm not going to resort to personal insults. Frankly, I'm surprised you did.
We clearly have differing opinions AND no, I'm not lazy, hysterical, nor reactionary. I'm a highly educated person, who has come to this opinion/conclusion after research and much thought. I'm not going to resort to personal insults. Frankly, I'm surprised you did.
I would hope you understand the distinction between calling you those things vs your response.
I believe that a majority of the “lets get back to normal” folks are only saying so due to being insulated from the covid event with others losing lives to it and not themselves ... just yet.
Would you be saying the same if your six year old daughter or 80 year old father were on a life support system and those around you were saying the above? Probably not, and most likely you would have a different outlook on things at that point.
IMO telling those who have lost loved ones that their deaths were simply a speed bump to getting back to a normal routine or way of life is simply ridiculous. Be my guest in telling that to the 700 families every day losing loved ones in NY right now.
A responsible way of restarting the economy to me would entail rolling out a vaccine along side a plan of action to drastically reduce losses of life going forward, and honoring the people and familes who lost lives to it.
But to our “as long as it’s not affecting me” society a paycheck takes priority over a human life. So sad that in todays age this is even a topic or debate.
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I believe that a majority of the “lets get back to normal” folks are only saying so due to being insulated from the covid event with others losing lives to it and not themselves ... just yet.
Would you be saying the same if your six year old daughter or 80 year old father were on a life support system and those around you were saying the above? Probably not, and most likely you would have a different outlook on things at that point.
IMO telling those who have lost loved ones that their deaths were simply a speed bump to getting back to a normal routine or way of life is simply ridiculous. Be my guest in telling that to the 700 families every day losing loved ones in NY right now.
A responsible way of restarting the economy to me would entail rolling out a vaccine along side a plan of action to drastically reduce losses of life going forward, and honoring the people and familes who lost lives to it.
But to our “as long as it’s not affecting me” society a paycheck takes priority over a human life. So sad that in todays age this is even a topic or debate.
My 70 year old parents are high risk. I never stopped collecting a paycheck because we work at the hospital, remember? Now that we've squashed the false motives you've tried to pin to me, let's be clear. Only one of the two of us is posting in this thread under false pretenses, and it's not me.
IMO one size fits all closing down the country because of NYC's situation is the problem. IMO people like you who are tying the release of a vaccine 1-2 years from now (or never) with reopening the country are the problem. So sad that in today's day and age this is even a topic of debate.
My 70 year old parents are high risk. I never stopped collecting a paycheck because we work at the hospital, remember? Now that we've squashed the false motives you've tried to pin to me, let's be clear. Only one of the two of us is posting in this thread under false pretenses, and it's not me.
IMO one size fits all closing down the country because of NYC's situation is the problem. IMO people like you who are tying the release of a vaccine 1-2 years from now (or never) with reopening the country are the problem.
Well I’m glad you know OUR situation so well and have taken the time yourself to pin something on me. Covid-19 has claimed 2 members of my family, one being a close aunt and another a first cousin, both in different states. So yeah, I think I have a voice in the matter as much as anyone, including yourself.
So maybe when it eventually hits home TO YOU you’ll come off your high horse a bit as living in insulated AVL up on a mountain with a new house and paycheck still coming has seemed to taint yourself some. Lots of folks out there (like our family) are hurting. So very glad it’s not you ...
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I understand your concern, and please consider this reply in the tone of utmost respect and empathy. .
I too understand your concern, and please consider this reply in the tone of utmost respect and empathy. (Condescending?)
I don't, anymore, only rely on the scientists, doctors, etc, for many reasons, not the least of which is they're flying blind on this and first they said no masks, then yes (a lie, rather than a change in reason - only those who believe in medical totalitarianism are "okay" with being lied to). So the weight of your being in the biz doesn't hold much for me. We can speak to each other on level ground, without the condescension. I'm hoping you work in a lab, rather than with people.
We simply aren't prepared for this. There has to be massive testing, and the "experts" have screwed up royally from a lack of PPE, to disbanding the pandemic office (I've forgotten what it was called), to screwing up the first tests and now having not enough. They dropped the ball. For that, we are all paying a price.
"...Though people with obesity frequently have other medical problems, the new studies point to the condition in and of itself as the most significant risk factor, after only older age, for being hospitalized with Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus. Young adults with obesity appear to be at particular risk, studies show.
The research is preliminary, and not peer reviewed, but it buttresses anecdotal reports from doctors who say they have been struck by how many seriously ill younger patients of theirs with obesity are otherwise healthy...."
Of course the research is preliminary, and not peer reviewed, because there's no time. It's all too new.
What we don't know about this may be huge. It's too early to open. We don't even know how many people have died from it because there isn't enough testing. And more and more lies are coming out, like the assisted living facility that tried to hide the number of deaths: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/n...gtype=Homepage
"29 Dead at One Nursing Home From the Virus. Or More. No One Will Say....."
"...Sapphire has not disclosed how many residents have died in the outbreak, but on Wednesday, the home’s administrator told the local state assemblyman, Ron Kim, that the total was 29, Mr. Kim said.But the numbers given by the home, Mr. Kim said, did not match what he was hearing from workers there.
“Everyone is trying to tell me that a lot more people died than the 29 they are citing,” he said.
Two workers at the home, which has 227 beds, also told The New York Times that the actual death toll was considerably higher, as many as 60 residents...."
You bet I don't trust anyone in the medical community...from the struggling-to-keep-sanity-present Dr Fauci, right down the the home health care aide. (PS: Where's Fauci lately?) I can't blame him for much, poor guy....but he should have called for masks asap.
You have as much clue as the rest of us...just a different take on it...as many young people seem to have. Thank heaven's not all in your age bracket think that way. Unfortunately many older people will agree with you.
The stupidest thing we can do is open May 1...well, I guess it's stupider to open earlier.
Mayday! Mayday!
Thank heavens some east and west coast states are pointing at May 15.
Last, but not least, I'll be sheltering in place as long as I can - even if it is a year or more, but I am retired, and it's easy for me to do so. I will go hiking, kayaking, etc....solo things and I'll keep my distance. And I'll try to get tested. Not only for myself, but to see if I am asymptomatic and possibly viral shedding.
I get the distinct impression 20-50 year olds have no sense of community at all. Just hang out with friends.
I too understand your concern, and please consider this reply in the tone of utmost respect and empathy. (Condescending?)
I don't, anymore, only rely on the scientists, doctors, etc, for many reasons, not the least of which is they're flying blind on this and first they said no masks, then yes (a lie, rather than a change in reason - only those who believe in medical totalitarianism are "okay" with being lied to). So the weight of your being in the biz doesn't hold much for me. We can speak to each other on level ground, without the condescension. I'm hoping you work in a lab, rather than with people.
We simply aren't prepared for this. There has to be massive testing, and the "experts" have screwed up royally from a lack of PPE, to disbanding the pandemic office (I've forgotten what it was called), to screwing up the first tests and now having not enough. They dropped the ball. For that, we are all paying a price.
"...Though people with obesity frequently have other medical problems, the new studies point to the condition in and of itself as the most significant risk factor, after only older age, for being hospitalized with Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus. Young adults with obesity appear to be at particular risk, studies show.
The research is preliminary, and not peer reviewed, but it buttresses anecdotal reports from doctors who say they have been struck by how many seriously ill younger patients of theirs with obesity are otherwise healthy...."
Of course the research is preliminary, and not peer reviewed, because there's no time. It's all too new.
What we don't know about this may be huge. It's too early to open. We don't even know how many people have died from it because there isn't enough testing. And more and more lies are coming out, like the assisted living facility that tried to hide the number of deaths: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/n...gtype=Homepage
"29 Dead at One Nursing Home From the Virus. Or More. No One Will Say....."
"...Sapphire has not disclosed how many residents have died in the outbreak, but on Wednesday, the home’s administrator told the local state assemblyman, Ron Kim, that the total was 29, Mr. Kim said.But the numbers given by the home, Mr. Kim said, did not match what he was hearing from workers there.
“Everyone is trying to tell me that a lot more people died than the 29 they are citing,” he said.
Two workers at the home, which has 227 beds, also told The New York Times that the actual death toll was considerably higher, as many as 60 residents...."
You bet I don't trust anyone in the medical community...from the struggling-to-keep-sanity-present Dr Fauci, right down the the home health care aide. (PS: Where's Fauci lately?) I can't blame him for much, poor guy....but he should have called for masks asap.
You have as much clue as the rest of us...just a different take on it...as many young people seem to have. Thank heaven's not all in your age bracket think that way. Unfortunately many older people will agree with you.
The stupidest thing we can do is open May 1...well, I guess it's stupider to open earlier.
Mayday! Mayday!
Thank heavens some east and west coast states are pointing at May 15.
Last, but not least, I'll be sheltering in place as long as I can - even if it is a year or more, but I am retired, and it's easy for me to do so. I will go hiking, kayaking, etc....solo things and I'll keep my distance. And I'll try to get tested. Not only for myself, but to see if I am asymptomatic and possibly viral shedding.
I get the distinct impression 20-50 year olds have no sense of community at all. Just hang out with friends.
Wow, quite a change in your tone from last night. So much for my preface that was genuine; it was not condescending unlike your whole post. My points that were good on Vodka tonics last night are terribly dangerous and misguided today? "Well, I've had a vodka tonic so I'll come back tomorrow to reply to your good points (ya know...tonic has quinine...lol...kidding!)."
LMFAO. Maybe you should try to stay on that heavy rotation of vodka tonics - what else are you going to do while hysterically hiding in your home. This will be my last post, and in fact, my last visit ever to this forum - I will not see your reply. Vince is right in one respect: there's hardly any redeeming factor in discussion here as well as the fact that it's a dying platform that is mostly occupied by angry, irrational, bored people. A dangerous mix. This forum is a microcosm of our current political climate. No room at all for discussion in the middle - just screaming and screeching from the furthest corners of each side. The only reason Vince comes back to post is to **** all over Asheville which is pretty transparent and frankly deranged at this point - move on Vince, you are better and bigger than that.
I'm glad to have contributed what I did in the past and met some lovely people that followed in my footsteps from my moving to Asheville thread, but I'm done. Enjoy your panic, fear, anxiety, and hatred. Like I said, come look for the guy in line somewhere without a mask on. I'd love the chat and everyone here knows what I look like. I'll also be continuing to work (you know we have to keep the lights on at the Hospital for you) so that the economy doesn't completely bomb out for you boomers. Absolutely pathetic.
Being in the 30-40 age bracket, most of my friends and acquaintances are ready to get back to 'normal'. I would have no problem walking into my favorite restaurant right now as long as they exercised some type of restricted capacity (50%?). We are all mostly in healthcare and have seen the very limited impact this has had on the area, our hospital, and our way of life. 38 total cases in Buncombe. 3 deaths. All elderly and/or very sick already.
This should happen by May 1st. The capacity rules should be given a full month after that to measure the impacts and effects. That's our opinion anyway. What do we know though: We're just Doctors, Nurses, PA's, NP's, and data scientists...
The whole doom and gloom 'the sky is falling on Asheville' is hilarious. I would truly hate to wake up in such negative and spiteful skin every morning!
Wow Chris. I'm not sure who that is directed at but I suspect at least in part it was me, what I said about restaurants and music venues and my reluctance to go from 0 to 60. I don't think your nature is to be callous based on our conversations here and privately but there is some of that coming through in what you are posting. It's not something I want to argue about or force you to defend, but I hope hearing/reading it might give you enough pause to at least consider how others hear/read your words. And that's all I need to say about that - I'm not your mother
As for trusting or not trusting medical professionals, we will each have our own comfort level with that. My nephew happens to be a pulmonary critical care specialist in Chicago and a physician locum in Greenbay, WI. And he's not a whole lot older than you, btw. What he says carries a lot of weight for me and when he says there is inadequate testing supplies, inadequate staffing and inadequate PPE, an almost constant rolling in of new 'possible' (because who really knows when they can't be tested) covid patients in stinkin' Greenbay let alone Chicago, I sit up and take notice.
Nothing would please me more than to see a burst bubble or flattened curve here in WNC with medical staff that was over prepared for an underwhelming influx of patients. I'd love to see them have the ability to treat and release patients rather than call time of death. It could happen. I hope it does. But just like the over-prepared medical staff I feel more comfortable being 'over-prepared' personally and for me that looks like a much slower re-entry than a Mayday celebration. I want better testing and by better I mean more available and randomized samples of symptomatic, asymptomatic and recovered across the entire country not just hot spots. I want to see labs beefed up to be able to handle the amount of tests we need to do. I want to see data on false positives and false negatives between rapid testing and standard tests. I like seeing neighboring state coalitions being set up because it makes sense when there is historically a lot of travel between them. But it shouldn't have to happen because they aren't getting the backing they need from the federal gov't. In a perfect world (perfect for a Libertarian at least) the private sector would have stepped in quickly to fill needs and perhaps they are really the best equipped to make fast pivots on production without gov't intervention. But we don't live in that world yet, maybe ever so we have to rely on our federal gov't to be quarterback and call the plays and at that they have miserably failed us.
Wow, quite a change in your tone from last night. So much for my preface that was genuine; it was not condescending unlike your whole post. My points that were good on Vodka tonics last night are terribly dangerous and misguided today? "Well, I've had a vodka tonic so I'll come back tomorrow to reply to your good points (ya know...tonic has quinine...lol...kidding!)."
LMFAO. Maybe you should try to stay on that heavy rotation of vodka tonics - what else are you going to do while hysterically hiding in your home. This will be my last post, and in fact, my last visit ever to this forum - I will not see your reply. Vince is right in one respect: there's hardly any redeeming factor in discussion here as well as the fact that it's a dying platform that is mostly occupied by angry, irrational, bored people. A dangerous mix. This forum is a microcosm of our current political climate. No room at all for discussion in the middle - just screaming and screeching from the furthest corners of each side. The only reason Vince comes back to post is to **** all over Asheville which is pretty transparent and frankly deranged at this point - move on Vince, you are better and bigger than that.
I'm glad to have contributed what I did in the past and met some lovely people that followed in my footsteps from my moving to Asheville thread, but I'm done. Enjoy your panic, fear, anxiety, and hatred. Like I said, come look for the guy in line somewhere without a mask on. I'd love the chat and everyone here knows what I look like. I'll also be continuing to work (you know we have to keep the lights on at the Hospital for you) so that the economy doesn't completely bomb out for you boomers. Absolutely pathetic.
Wow.
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