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Old 11-16-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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I'm in an entry level position, my first since graduating. I get paid a salary and an end of year bonus (unspecified). It is an outside sales position with no commission, but a $15 for any travel over 150 miles for lunch, $7 for dinner if I get back from a trip past 8pm or $15 for dinner if it's overnight.

While I was told that there would be occasional overtime in the interview, occasional turns out to mean everyday. I would say that at the bare minimum I put in about 11-12 hours per day 5 days/week for about 60 plus hours on average (I have worked longer, but never less than 11 hours). Since I am on salary i.e. exempt, I get no extra pay so I get paid the same amount whether I work 8 or 12 hours. My question is simple:

Is this normal for entry level outside sales?
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:01 PM
 
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I'm in an entry level position, my first since graduating. I get paid a salary and an end of year bonus (unspecified). It is an outside sales position with no commission, but a $15 for any travel over 150 miles for lunch, $7 for dinner if I get back from a trip past 8pm or $15 for dinner if it's overnight.

While I was told that there would be occasional overtime in the interview, occasional turns out to mean everyday. I would say that at the bare minimum I put in about 11-12 hours per day 5 days/week for about 60 plus hours on average (I have worked longer, but never less than 11 hours). Since I am on salary i.e. exempt, I get no extra pay so I get paid the same amount whether I work 8 or 12 hours. My question is simple:

Is this normal for entry level outside sales?
It depends on the field.

60 hours per week isn't uncommon for entry level Auditors at the Big 4 Accounting Firms (especially during tax season), for example...
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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Not after Obama.
For example, I used to work retail pt close to 40 hours/week, and now I work as a housekeeper that must NOT make more than 19 hours/week.
I agree with the above poster, though. It all depends on the job.
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Depends on the profession - accounting, investment banking, big law, and startups are going to have higher demands than most positions.
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:08 PM
 
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treating entry level kids like slave labor is good for reputation !
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:11 PM
 
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Anyone who needs to work 60 hours a week with no life, needs to find a different job.. Thats ludicrous to work those hours. Especially if you are salaried exempt (whatever the term is) where you are not paid OT. You're just being taken for a ride, used and abused.
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:12 PM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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I'm in an entry level position, my first since graduating. I get paid a salary and an end of year bonus (unspecified). It is an outside sales position with no commission, but a $15 for any travel over 150 miles for lunch, $7 for dinner if I get back from a trip past 8pm or $15 for dinner if it's overnight.

While I was told that there would be occasional overtime in the interview, occasional turns out to mean everyday. I would say that at the bare minimum I put in about 11-12 hours per day 5 days/week for about 60 plus hours on average (I have worked longer, but never less than 11 hours). Since I am on salary i.e. exempt, I get no extra pay so I get paid the same amount whether I work 8 or 12 hours. My question is simple:

Is this normal for entry level outside sales?
I don't know how "normal" it may be in your particular field but it's a lot of hours and it depends on how high your salary is whether or not it's a viable situation for you. Once you get the bonus it'll be clearer what you're actually making as then you'll be able to break it down and determine exactly how much you're earning per hour. Only you can determine if it works for you but if it's a position which promises advancement and you can stick it out until that bonus comes around you'll have a better idea. Good luck!
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:14 PM
 
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I don't know how "normal" it may be in your particular field but it's a lot of hours and it depends on how high your salary is whether or not it's a viable situation for you. Once you get the bonus it'll be clearer what you're actually making as then you'll be able to break it down and determine exactly how much you're earning per hour. Only you can determine if it works for you but if it's a position which promises advancement and you can stick it out until that bonus comes around you'll have a better idea. Good luck!
and the bonus is $200.
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:16 PM
 
Location: SC
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I can almost guarantee the bonus will not be significant. They are taking advantage. Plain and simple.
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Candy Kingdom
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Sounds like they're taking advantage. I'm looking for a 2nd job for my PT one. I need entry level, but I know I don't want to work more than 40... I want to keep working two jobs.
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