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Old 12-03-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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Making individual deals with each company is not a long term solution for anything.
Maybe not, but Dems weren't showing any interest in long term solutions and a short term solution that keeps jobs here until a long term solution is put in place is better than letting jobs fly out the window.
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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Then don't have kids with a deadbeat, find someone with an ambition to at least provide for themselves. It is not that easy to avoid paying, but you can't get anything from someone who doesn't work, and go to prison once in a while.
And there are a lot of benefits for single mums apart from food stamps. Take a look at this chart and see for yourself. And this chart do not include local benefits that you might get.
Wow...just wow. "don't have kids with a deadbeat" You must be very young, or perhaps you have led a sheltered life, but most women do not go pick out 'deadbeats' as fathers for their children. What frequently happens is that the couple separates and the man refuses to support or participate in his children's lives. My first husband decided after 12 years of marriage that he had found his true love. He moved out, never bothered to even call or visit his two sons and spent years moving from state to state quitting jobs immediately after they started taking child support from his wages.

There are also women whose husbands die or become disabled and they become the breadwinner and the caretaker for their kids.

And as far as your colorful graph..it is not very realistic...

TANF - this is a time limited program, federally the max is 60 months but most states have limited it to 12, 18 or 24 months. If a parent obtains employment they are phased out of the program (they cannot keep getting TANF and their salary) Also the amount of TANF for a family of three varies by state but is $170 in Tennessee, which is far less than the $5,000 represented in your chart.

EITC This is a federal credit for the working poor, you don't get EITC and TANF

MEDICAID I'm dubious that the value of medicaid is $8,000 as represented in the graph, in most states care it is difficult or impossible to find a medical practitioner who will see a medicaid patient so most of their care comes from local publicly operated, or charitable clinics.

SNAP The SNAP benefit for a single adult with a child with income of $15000 a year (minimum wage job is $98 a month

HOUSING VOUCHER Fewer than 1/4 of the poor have subsidized housing and most of that consists of public housing vouchers. There is a 6-10 wait for a Section 8 voucher. A friend of mine is legally blind, he gets SSDI and supports his 13 year old son. He has been on the Section 8 waiting list since 2007. He is currently paying $900 a month in rent, and about $150 in utilities which leaves him with less than $500 for food, clothing, transportation and everything else he and his son need. (he receives $29 a month in SNAP benefits)
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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Their employees will be paying all kinds of taxes as do most working class people. If Carrier left now they would be paying no taxes to Indiana AND neither would the (Mexican) employees working for them.
They are still leaving...they are shipping 1300 jobs to Mexico, and keeping 800 others they were considering sending. None of the 1300 jobs were saved, and there is nothing that requires Carrier to even stick to it long term. This is not new, Gov. Scott Walker has given millions in taxpayer incentives for companies to stay in Wisconsin, and in almost all the cases they took the money and soon left anyway. Why anyone thinks this is actually some giant change in policy is beyond me. The same people cheering now were beating up Obama for saving the US Auto industry, and that was many thousands more jobs than this.

This was a bone for the dogs, smoke and mirrors, a PR stunt, nothing more.
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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If people actually cared more about customer service than low prices, they wouldn't have let their hometown local hardware stores go out of business in favor of Home Depots and Lowes.
I remember going to local hardware stores when I was young, before the rise of the big box stores. During the week, it was pretty hard to get there before their 6:00pm closing time so I had to go Saturday morning since they closed at noon on Saturday and weren't open at all on Sunday. Then along came the likes of Home Depot who introduced the idea of "hey, how about we be open when our customers have free time to shop?".

That's how I define "customer service".
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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They are still leaving...they are shipping 1300 jobs to Mexico, and keeping 800 others they were considering sending. None of the 1300 jobs were saved, and there is nothing that requires Carrier to even stick to it long term.
Cite? I didn't realize you had access to the terms and details of the deal.
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:48 AM
 
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Maybe not, but Dems weren't showing any interest in long term solutions and a short term solution that keeps jobs here until a long term solution is put in place is better than letting jobs fly out the window.
Again, I would believe in his sincerity a lot more if he announced he was bringing his OWN manufacturing back from China...you'd think that would be an easy place to start, right?

Carrier only happened because of Pence, this is hardly any long term OR even short-term solution. It already failed yesterday even in Indiana with his attempt to keep Rexnard from leaving. Some deal maker, he saved 800 of 2100 jobs being shipped out by Carrier, and failed to save any from Rexnard even with Pence's checkbook open and at the ready.
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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Any company can just claim they are planning to ship thousands of jobs overseas, get Trump on the phone and get a tax break after shipping thousands of jobs overseas (but less than they claimed they would do). Its just a publicity stunt to get favors.
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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Cite? I didn't realize you had access to the terms and details of the deal.
I don't you're right, I am going by Pundits for that...however I am very sure if Trump had arranged some deal that they promised to stay for 30 years, he would have been crowing (or rather, tweeting) about it.

here's the other points: The parts of the Carrier deal Trump doesn't want to talk about | MSNBC

When even Sarah Palin is coming out saying this deal was crony capitalism, a bribe and the "hallmark of corruption and socialism", that says more than this Democrat could ever say.

Sarah Palin: Trump's Carrier deal is 'crony capitalism' - POLITICO
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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We know the price of everything will rise with minimum wage increase, happens every time.
We know the price of everything will rise, even without a minimum wage increase. They always do. Show me some historical data comparing inflation and minimum wage increases.
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Old 12-03-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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When even Sarah Palin is coming out saying this deal was crony capitalism, a bribe and the "hallmark of corruption and socialism", that says more than this Democrat could ever say.

Sarah Palin: Trump's Carrier deal is 'crony capitalism' - POLITICO
Or maybe it just says she is miffed that she isn't being talked about for a Cabinet position.
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