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Old 12-04-2016, 03:46 PM
 
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No surprise.

All these morons that think they're entitled to $15 for flipping burgers and thinking these jobs should pay enough to support a family on are delusional.

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McDonald's used to be a job for high school & college kids to earn a little money on the side. But lots of immigrant adults here take these jobs and wonder why they can't earn a living wage flipping burgers. The average American high school student knows these jobs aren't designed to be careers. They aren't designed to support families, they were set up to be student jobs for young people. And that was it!


A person who has a family to support should not be applying to fast food jobs. They should be learning vocational skills to help them get into something better.
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Old 12-04-2016, 03:46 PM
 
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Is it, is it really? Go to a Dole or Del Monte or other corporate factory farm that donates millions to Republican causes, and come back and give me a report on their workforce, okay? Republicans are the ones who want the cheapest work force possible, of course they have been winking and nodding at this for years. Also don't forget it was every good Republican's poster boy, Ronald Reagan, who gave amnesty to 1.5 million illegal immigrants in California.

About those contractor jobs...it is not easy to find people for those jobs..they are NOT full time or even part-time jobs, they are piece-meal jobs, a day here and a day there, work for 2 weeks than not again for 2 weeks. How many people can afford to work that way, and be available on a moment's notice?

As an aside, I believe many contractors and other blue collar workers ARE Republicans, probably more so than they are democrats, and since they are the ones hiring them....hmmmm who is it promoting the practice again?

Same thing with the farm jobs, who exactly are you hiring who can afford to work only during harvest season, and will work 16 hours a day during that season while living in some sort of group structure on the farm grounds, then move on to another region of the country for a different crop's harvest season and work 16 hour days for another 2 months?

What I'm saying is they truly do only get the jobs most of us cannot live on nor want...the H1B and Visa workers are much more of a threat to the average American's job, and it is big corporations who drive that, again many Republicans.

It's really not D's vs R's IMO, it's rich people vs the rest of us. I know many don't believe that, but I do. I know who the real enemies are to me, and they aren't downtrodden third world people trying to survive another week.


A homeless American person, maybe?
They are just as free to go sit in front of Home depot and work as anyone else. Whose fault is it if they choose not to?



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Old 12-04-2016, 04:01 PM
 
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There are many small businesses that went under in hundreds of towns when Walmarts opened, that is why so many came to be met with protests and people trying to fight them coming in. People who owned their own businesses who go bankrupt due to not being able to compete with Walmart's cheap Chinese labor prices, then end up working in the Walmart for 20% of what they were making. Walmart also forced many more companies to either go overseas or accelerate their move to China in order to either compete with Walmart or, as is the well-documented case of Rubbermaid, told they needed to move their operations from Massachusetts to China if wanted their good to be sold in Walmart stores. That factory provided good jobs with benefits for hundreds of people, who then ended up at places like Walmart instead, and need to put their kids on free state health insurance and go without it themselves, because Walmart or whatever big box store keeps them at one hour under the threshold for benefits, because these employers know the state will pay if they choose not to.

But people didn't care, they wanted big screen TVs for a few hundred dollars and didn't ask questions about why it was so cheap or what the long term cost of that choice really was on their comminities. Then we try to blame our own choices on everyone else.
That's pretty much the gist of it. I wonder if Trump will go after Wal-Mart if he is really serious about this whole raising trade tax issue. Then we will definitely see the price of consumer goods go up.
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Old 12-04-2016, 04:09 PM
 
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That's pretty much the gist of it. I wonder if Trump will go after Wal-Mart if he is really serious about this whole raising trade tax issue. Then we will definitely see the price of consumer goods go up.
This is what people don't seem to understand. Again, I would believe in his sincerity more if he brought his own factories here from China or announced he was no longer using Chinese steel for his buildings. I don't get why Carrier is a bad guy if they go out of the country, but when Trump does it he's just a smart businessman.
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Old 12-04-2016, 05:04 PM
 
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There are many small businesses that went under in hundreds of towns when Walmarts opened, that is why so many came to be met with protests and people trying to fight them coming in. People who owned their own businesses who go bankrupt due to not being able to compete with Walmart's cheap Chinese labor prices, then end up working in the Walmart for 20% of what they were making.
Why are small businesses going out of business, and have been doing so for many, many years.

They simply do not have the buying power, to compete with chain stores of any type. If you buy only a few of an item to put in your store, you will pay more for it, than a chain store can sell it for.

I spent 10 years in furniture sales when younger, and managed some stores. Example of volume buying. I worked for one of the top department stores in the nation. They had 4 upscale stores.

A major brand recliner (chair) sold for $229. It cost $110 plus shipping if buying just a few. One year the manufacturer wanted to keep their crew working during a slow for them business period, and they wanted to clear out a bunch of quality fabric they did not have enough of to keep in their catalog. They made an offer, if we would buy an entire rail road car full, and let them pick the fabric (good quality fabric and good colors) we could buy them for $40 per chair instead of $110. We did, and stored them for Christmas period. At Christmas we sold them for $88 each. We simply put all other stores in the area both big and small, out of the recliner business that year.

That is how Walmart can sell at the prices they sell.

If you think that Walmart only sells things from China, and everything from China is bad, you have not been in any major department stores lately. They all buy from the same places. In fact the major Clothing fashion lines by the big fashion names, are not made in China. They are made in Bangladesh where it is even cheaper to make clothing.

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But people didn't care, they wanted big screen TVs for a few hundred dollars and didn't ask questions about why it was so cheap or what the long term cost of that choice really was on their communities. Then we try to blame our own choices on everyone else.
They don't make TVs in the USA, no matter what store you buy them in. Or Computers, etc., etc. Example the inventor of the modern computer was IBM. Eleven years ago they sold out their desk top computer business to Lenova from China, now the biggest computer company for home and small business use.

We export jobs overseas sometimes. But on the other hand, we import jobs from overseas. There are 13 auto manufacturing companies building cars in the United States. Only 2 of them are American owned, Ford and GM. The rest are all owned overseas and they exported a lot of jobs to the United States. A lot of foreign companies have done the same. And cars are just one example of things made in the USA by foreign owned companies. Runs from electronics, autos, trains, and about every thing else that is large, and can actually be made in the USA cheaper than overseas including shipping. We just cannot make small cheap hand labor intensive at a competitive price.

Quit letting American companies build plants or have things made overseas, and the foreign companies would bring all those American jobs back to their country. And those jobs, are much higher paying, than the cheap labor jobs we exported.
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Old 12-04-2016, 05:13 PM
 
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Obama has made small business an extinct species, as never in the past has small business failures outpace startups until today. Even 10 years ago small business were succeeding, b ut not currently. If small businesses can't succeed we all suffer.

By the way McDonalds isn't the only company to reduce jobs because of minimum wage hikes.

Wendy's Serves Up Kiosks As Wages Rise, Hits Fast-Food Group | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Wendy's (WEN) said that self-service ordering kiosks will be made available across its 6,000-plus restaurants in the second half of the year as minimum wage hikes and a tight labor market push up wages.

It will be up to franchisees whether to deploy the labor-saving technology, but Wendy's President Todd Penegor did note that some franchise locations have been raising prices to offset wage hikes.
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Old 12-04-2016, 05:13 PM
 
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I prefer a good burger made by a real cook, at a brewpub, rather than mass produced thawed frozen, but plenty of people will go there to eat just for the novelty of the new order system. Also, to be able to avoid dealing with sometimes unpleasant cashiers. McD has been working on this for a long time, because machines are more reliable than the minimum wage workers, but now no one will work for $9-10 so they are paying $13 or more just to get people there. These machines will be a good investment for them, but I don't think it will have a dramatic effect on employment. There are still plenty of other fast food places, retail, and housekeeping jobs available.
I have a son on the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum. He is at a college adapted to his needs. When he finishes these kinds of developments may doom any already limited employment prospects he has. I rue this day.
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Old 12-04-2016, 05:22 PM
 
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Why are small businesses going out of business, and have been doing so for many, many years.

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They don't make TVs in the USA, no matter what store you buy them in. Or Computers, etc., etc. Example the inventor of the modern computer was IBM. Eleven years ago they sold out their desk top computer business to Lenova from China, now the biggest computer company for home and small business use.

We export jobs overseas sometimes. But on the other hand, we import jobs from overseas. There are 13 auto manufacturing companies building cars in the United States. Only 2 of them are American owned, Ford and GM. The rest are all owned overseas and they exported a lot of jobs to the United States. A lot of foreign companies have done the same. And cars are just one example of things made in the USA by foreign owned companies. Runs from electronics, autos, trains, and about every thing else that is large, and can actually be made in the USA cheaper than overseas including shipping. We just cannot make small cheap hand labor intensive at a competitive price.

Quit letting American companies build plants or have things made overseas, and the foreign companies would bring all those American jobs back to their country. And those jobs, are much higher paying, than the cheap labor jobs we exported.

These are good points but there is still more we could be doing to support US Jobs. We have auto industry jobs because the UAW has consistently pressured local, regional and national authorities to pass favorable regulations. I am not sure everyone remembers but in order to avoid tarriffs in the 70s/80s, Japanese auto manufactures voluntarily restricted their import volumes then began building plants here to get around the issue.

It is possible that RCA/Magnavox/Quasar/Zenith could competitively build high quality TVs (similar to Sony) if they had the government helping them though import regulations - at least until foreign markets like China were open to the US (a level playing field), which BTW they STILL are not nearly as open as the US Market despite China being #2 in GDP now.

Note that many, if not most, US furniture manufactures outsource their furniture building to Asia now. This was once a huge skilled industry in North Carolina and other areas. Personally I would pay more for American-made furniture but I can scarcely find it. The Chinese stuff, lasts 5 years and is ready for the dump. This another industry where government intervention could have helped protect an industry at not much cost to the US consumer. We sacrificed many, many US skill jobs on the alter of open competition even though virtually every other country helps their national industries.
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Old 12-04-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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Obama has made small business an extinct species, as never in the past has small business failures outpace startups until today. Even 10 years ago small business were succeeding, b ut not currently. If small businesses can't succeed we all suffer.

By the way McDonalds isn't the only company to reduce jobs because of minimum wage hikes.

Wendy's Serves Up Kiosks As Wages Rise, Hits Fast-Food Group | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Wendy's (WEN) said that self-service ordering kiosks will be made available across its 6,000-plus restaurants in the second half of the year as minimum wage hikes and a tight labor market push up wages.

It will be up to franchisees whether to deploy the labor-saving technology, but Wendy's President Todd Penegor did note that some franchise locations have been raising prices to offset wage hikes.
Number one, where is your proof? Number two, you have conveniently forgotten about the recession that began before Obama took office. At this point you are just talking just to here yourself talk.
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Old 12-04-2016, 07:49 PM
 
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Number one, where is your proof?
Here is proof and its a well known fact that small business died under Obama and has never recovered. Consequently, business deaths now outpace business births for the first time since researchers started collecting the data in the late 1970’s.

The Wendys company itself admits it installed kiosks to avoid paying higher minimum wages.
It's just a fact that shouldn't be hard to acknowledge if you can be honest on this forum.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.02eeec3deb24

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