What is the "greenest" or most progressive liberal city/town in Alaska? (Anchorage: buy, tax)

[Metlakatla]

Originally Posted by Annie Metal

P.S. Please---Stop trolling with your hunting crap please.

Sorry to have to break it to you but the North is not an area of the planet where a person can live off of the available plant life.

The closer you get to the equator, the easier it is to survive on a vegetarian/vegan diet derived from local resources. The botanical diversity that makes that possible in warmer climates does not exist here. To put it simply, the farther north you go, the less species of plant life you see. It's obvious even coming from Oregon to Southern Southeast Alaska.

Some hunters use gas etc....and a lot of lettuce etc is planed up to Alaska courtesy of fossil fuels as well.

I suppose that everyone has their subjective definition of progressive; it may help if the OP would clarify what hers is before she starts to slam hunters.

If progressive means eating food that is planed in from the lower 48 and sold in cellophaned packages rather than following the principles of the 100 mile diet then all I can say is that the urban liberals are truly idjits of the first order.

[Annie Metal]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

Sorry to have to break it to you but the North is not an area of the planet where a person can live off of the available plant life.

The closer you get to the equator, the easier it is to survive on a vegetarian/vegan diet derived from local resources. The botanical diversity that makes that possible in warmer climates does not exist here. To put it simply, the farther north you go, the less species of plant life you see. It's obvious even coming from Oregon to Southern Southeast Alaska.

Some hunters use gas etc....and a lot of lettuce etc is planed up to Alaska courtesy of fossil fuels as well.

I suppose that everyone has their subjective definition of progressive; it may help if the OP would clarify what hers is before she starts to slam hunters.

If progressive means eating food that is planed in from the lower 48 and sold in cellophaned packages rather than following the principles of the 100 mile diet then all I can say is that the urban liberals are truly idiots of the first order.

I have not slammed hunters in this thread, but I feel that it may be bit insensitive to assume as a "green" person i would want a whole page dedicated to hunting, and in the manner that it was said, like "I am getting hungry just THINKING about killing animals."

Anyway, that being said, I like people and places that are progressive, even if it is a small town. In every aspect of the word, I am a Socialist, and prefer to find the closest thing I can to that mindset. I know it isn't Vermont in Alaska, but I know there are some progressives there. Thanks in advance. Pleasee, don't bother to flame me, just because I believe in helping others, and not the "I've Got Mine, Jack" mentality that seems to be so popular on this forum. Most Americans are not self-sustainable, though I think it would be better, of course...but for you to call everyone who happens to be buying food at a store (and doesn't vote for the tea party) an idiot, isn't fair either. Thanks.

[Floyd_Davidson]

Originally Posted by Annie Metal

I have not slammed hunters in this thread, but I feel that it may be bit insensitive to assume as a "green" person i would want a whole page dedicated to hunting, and in the manner that it was said, like "I am getting hungry just THINKING about killing animals."

But this thread and this forum are not ever limited to what might be wanted by your definition of a "green" person. (A definition I wouldn't agree with anyway.)

Anyway, that being said, I like people and places that are progressive, even if it is a small town. In every aspect of the word, I am a Socialist, and prefer to find the closest thing I can to that mindset. I know it isn't Vermont in Alaska, but I know there are some progressives there. Thanks in advance.

That's pretty reasonable as such.

The biggest problem is that as soon as you state that as your purpose, you are a target. You see, since about 1974 Alaska has become the most hypocritical state in the US. We have a constitution written by an elite group of socialist left wingers (who knew exactly what they were doing, and did it right too). The State was admitted to the Union only because of the purely socialist intent of those who wrote the Alaska Constitution and pushed in Congress for statehood. It was clearly desired, and well understood, that our economy and our government would be more socialist than any other in the US. And it is!

Beginning with statehood, Alaska has held the well known natural resources of the State in common ownership for the people. Initially that was land, fish, and game. Beginning in the 1970's it became oil.

Virtually the entire basis for our government since the discovery of Prudhoe Bay, and because of the Permanent Fund created by Governor Jay Hammond's administration in the 70's it will continue long after Prudhoe Bay is a dry hole, has been the ideology of socialism applied to the oil industry.

Pleasee, don't bother to flame me, just because I believe in helping others, and not the "I've Got Mine, Jack" mentality that seems to be so popular on this forum. Most Americans are not self-sustainable, though I think it would be better, of course...but for you to call everyone who happens to be buying food at a store (and doesn't vote for the tea party) an idiot, isn't fair either. Thanks.

You are going to get flamed for what you say here, because half the population of Alaska is made up of hypocrites who came here to reap these socialist benefits, which they clearly do love, while they rant and rave against the very socialism that makes it possible and claim that right wing Nazi policy or out an out Facist ideology would improve their share of the pie.

They can't figure out how the pie came to exist. They can't figure out how they came to own a share. All they can see is how to exclude others so that they can get more.

They are Amercans. Defined by greed.

[Frostnip]

Heh, I actually am getting a bit hungry at the thought of killing an animal. Well, not the killing part, but the resultant edible animal part. Guilty as charged.

As for the "progressive" side of things, I'm a big old communist and it's never been a problem here. I speak my mind but try to keep any resulting debates on the banter side rather than the argument side, and mostly that works fine. One thing about living in Alaska, you're never going to be the weirdest or most outlandish person around.

[bortstc37]

you'll find that most villages are very socialistic (more like communistic, but you get the idea- there's a whole lot of sharing going on).

and yes, when you live in alaska, hunting is the greenest way to get your food. being an environmentalist is one of the reasons i moved here. i gave up automobiles four years ago- actually gave my car away and started walking/biking/taking public transport. i even walked across an entire country once (it was a small country, only took a week). while i do eat my share of store-bought food (which comes in on a plane), i do my best to eat locally- that includes an entire year's worth of fruit (berries), greens, wild teas, and as much fish and local small game/birds as i can manage to acquire (on foot or hitched ride). and that doesn't include other local edibles that are traded, gifted to me, or bought from others in the village (such as crab or caribou).

you can't be an environmentalist in alaska without eating the abundant, naturally occurring animals. i feel much less guilt over killing an animal than i do over buying food that was shipped from the lower 48.

[Metlakatla]

Annie, I remember you from the last time you came around here. It seems you haven't changed much.

It is not possible to live a true vegan/green lifestyle in any of the towns mentioned as being the most "progressive". Truly "green" people actually live the way described in the 100 mile diet; I don't think it's possible to do that in the north without eating meat of some kind. And even in the most progressive of Alaskan communities (and that would be Talkeetna with Ester a close second), you will not be well received if you go around shaking your finger at anyone who mentioned hunting and/or eating meat.

[akpls]

Originally Posted by naturesdreams

... much greener then styrofoam and plastic wrapped meat by gosh... LOL .... YES and the taste difference... hmmm.. this is making me hungry

Yes....can't argue with that!

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by Annie Metal

I have not slammed hunters in this thread, but I feel that it may be bit insensitive to assume as a "green" person i would want a whole page dedicated to hunting, and in the manner that it was said, like "I am getting hungry just THINKING about killing animals."

Why not...? If you're a greenie, then you should be very aware that there is no meat more green than hunting sustainably. It's certainly far greener than feedlots with lagoons of effluent, confining animals that are fed on grains (that need fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides, and transportation using gas/diesel), and given antibiotic prophylaxis.

Originally Posted by Annie Metal

Anyway, that being said, I like people and places that are progressive, even if it is a small town. In every aspect of the word, I am a Socialist, and prefer to find the closest thing I can to that mindset. I know it isn't Vermont in Alaska, but I know there are some progressives there. Thanks in advance. Pleasee, don't bother to flame me, just because I believe in helping others, and not the "I've Got Mine, Jack" mentality that seems to be so popular on this forum. Most Americans are not self-sustainable, though I think it would be better, of course...but for you to call everyone who happens to be buying food at a store (and doesn't vote for the tea party) an idiot, isn't fair either. Thanks.

I think in smaller communities you can't live with a "I've got mine Jack" mentality. Your survival network in case of emergency are your neighbors the police and fire departments are at least an hour away, if your house catches fire, you could call the fire department, and in about an hour or so they might turn up, which isn't much help when you're place is now a bunch of blackened sticks. If there's a ornery bear hanging about, and you need help with it, you could call ADF&G and in a couple of days they might come out and help you. Or in either of these situations you could get help from your neighbor.

So if your neighbor needs help getting the transmission out of his truck, you go help out, if they need a wall lifted, you go help out, they're stuck in a ditch, you go help out, one of their family members is late back from the village in their only running vehicle, you help them out. The reason is because when you need your transmission taken out of your truck, who's going to help you out? If you're stuck in a ditch who's going to help you out? You need a wall lifted, who's going to help you out? Your husband/wife/son/daughter is late back from the village and it's -40 and falling and their real winter gear is on a peg by the door, in the only running vehicle you have, who's going to help you out?

I don't know many people around where I'm at that won't trade their time and effort for your time and effort. Is that progressive? Or common sense.

[freezengirl]

Gungnir I don't think I have ever read a more accurate discription of my experience of living a northern rural lifestyle ever!

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by freezengirl

Gungnir I don't think I have ever read a more accurate discription of my experience of living a northern rural lifestyle ever!

Aww... Shucks!