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Many people seem to hate Vegetarians here. I grew up eating meat, but have since changed my ways, as it is the most healthy way to live. I think you all need to back off of Annie Metal. You seem to love to gang up and pick on her, because she seems different to you. I think she seems intelligent, and well intentioned.
Funny how you joined now to defend her....just sayin" Annie....
But this thread and this forum are not ever limited to what might be wanted by your definition of a "green" person. (A definition I wouldn't agree with anyway.)
That's pretty reasonable as such.
The biggest problem is that as soon as you state that as your purpose, you are a target. You see, since about 1974 Alaska has become the most hypocritical state in the US. We have a constitution written by an elite group of socialist left wingers (who knew exactly what they were doing, and did it right too). The State was admitted to the Union only because of the purely socialist intent of those who wrote the Alaska Constitution and pushed in Congress for statehood. It was clearly desired, and well understood, that our economy and our government would be more socialist than any other in the US. And it is!
Beginning with statehood, Alaska has held the well known natural resources of the State in common ownership for the people. Initially that was land, fish, and game. Beginning in the 1970's it became oil.
Virtually the entire basis for our government since the discovery of Prudhoe Bay, and because of the Permanent Fund created by Governor Jay Hammond's administration in the 70's it will continue long after Prudhoe Bay is a dry hole, has been the ideology of socialism applied to the oil industry.
You are going to get flamed for what you say here, because half the population of Alaska is made up of hypocrites who came here to reap these socialist benefits, which they clearly do love, while they rant and rave against the very socialism that makes it possible and claim that right wing Nazi policy or out an out Facist ideology would improve their share of the pie.
They can't figure out how the pie came to exist. They can't figure out how they came to own a share. All they can see is how to exclude others so that they can get more.
They are Amercans. Defined by greed.
Boy, were you ever right! Just like last time I posted here. Notice how certain people decide they want to flame and troll me, yet claim I am trolling, because i happen to be different?? It is pretty expected, but I was hoping for a better attitude this time. Thanks for your words though!
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Originally Posted by Frostnip
Heh, I actually am getting a bit hungry at the thought of killing an animal. Well, not the killing part, but the resultant edible animal part. Guilty as charged.
As for the "progressive" side of things, I'm a big old communist and it's never been a problem here. I speak my mind but try to keep any resulting debates on the banter side rather than the argument side, and mostly that works fine. One thing about living in Alaska, you're never going to be the weirdest or most outlandish person around.
That's cool.
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Originally Posted by bortstc37
you'll find that most villages are very socialistic (more like communistic, but you get the idea- there's a whole lot of sharing going on).
and yes, when you live in alaska, hunting is the greenest way to get your food. being an environmentalist is one of the reasons i moved here. i gave up automobiles four years ago- actually gave my car away and started walking/biking/taking public transport. i even walked across an entire country once (it was a small country, only took a week). while i do eat my share of store-bought food (which comes in on a plane), i do my best to eat locally- that includes an entire year's worth of fruit (berries), greens, wild teas, and as much fish and local small game/birds as i can manage to acquire (on foot or hitched ride). and that doesn't include other local edibles that are traded, gifted to me, or bought from others in the village (such as crab or caribou).
you can't be an environmentalist in alaska without eating the abundant, naturally occurring animals. i feel much less guilt over killing an animal than i do over buying food that was shipped from the lower 48.
Well I thank you for your opinion, and that interesting information to keep in mind while I look for my new home. i really appreciate it.
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Originally Posted by Metlakatla
Annie, I remember you from the last time you came around here. It seems you haven't changed much.
It is not possible to live a true vegan/green lifestyle in any of the towns mentioned as being the most "progressive". Truly "green" people actually live the way described in the 100 mile diet; I don't think it's possible to do that in the north without eating meat of some kind. And even in the most progressive of Alaskan communities (and that would be Talkeetna with Ester a close second), you will not be well received if you go around shaking your finger at anyone who mentioned hunting and/or eating meat.
Well, hey hey, I remember you too, and your attitude towards me. Seems you haven't changed a bit, either. I may have laughed at the uber defensive attitude of the Alaskans who were not very welcoming, and I was also rudely insulted, and name called, and generally trolled. Anyway, you can stay out of my threads, and I will stay out of yours.
Why not...? If you're a greenie, then you should be very aware that there is no meat more green than hunting sustainably. It's certainly far greener than feedlots with lagoons of effluent, confining animals that are fed on grains (that need fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides, and transportation using gas/diesel), and given antibiotic prophylaxis.
I think in smaller communities you can't live with a "I've got mine Jack" mentality. Your survival network in case of emergency are your neighbors the police and fire departments are at least an hour away, if your house catches fire, you could call the fire department, and in about an hour or so they might turn up, which isn't much help when you're place is now a bunch of blackened sticks. If there's a ornery bear hanging about, and you need help with it, you could call ADF&G and in a couple of days they might come out and help you. Or in either of these situations you could get help from your neighbor.
So if your neighbor needs help getting the transmission out of his truck, you go help out, if they need a wall lifted, you go help out, they're stuck in a ditch, you go help out, one of their family members is late back from the village in their only running vehicle, you help them out. The reason is because when you need your transmission taken out of your truck, who's going to help you out? If you're stuck in a ditch who's going to help you out? You need a wall lifted, who's going to help you out? Your husband/wife/son/daughter is late back from the village and it's -40 and falling and their real winter gear is on a peg by the door, in the only running vehicle you have, who's going to help you out?
I don't know many people around where I'm at that won't trade their time and effort for your time and effort. Is that progressive? Or common sense.
Well, I am veggie, and I won't touch meat. However, I appreciate your intentions though, and it sounds pretty good if that is in fact your lifestyle. The rest of your post is very informative, and I can really dig that style of living. I like to share, and help others out, and could really see myself loving that type of life. I am torn between here and Vermont, and a couple other places, and am trying to figure out what to do next. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Metlakatla
This is hilarious. Now you're assuming that I support the "tea party". Thanks for the laugh.
Though I will say that there are people with fairly conservative political leanings who live a "greener" lifestyle than you do.
Annie, things have not changed in Alaska since the last time you came to this forum. The answers are still the same, and like last time, you don't like the answers.
In my part of Alaska, the traditional Native diet is one of the healthiest in the world. Wild SE blueberries have four times the anti oxidants than blueberries grown commercially. Our wild fish...well, there is none better anywhere. Beach greens...free for the picking and much better for you than anything you could buy in the store. Of course we utilize the grocery store for some things but personally I don't see how anyone could be healthy if their only food source was the local market....and that tofu in the local market has a much larger "carbon footprint" than the wild salmon steak I'm having for dinner tonight.
There's a good reason you won't find any meccas of urban liberalism (and I suspect that's what you actually mean by the term "progressive") anywhere in Alaska--it's because it doesn't work here.
You have done nothing but flame, laugh and mock everything I have said, assume things, and just act generally nasty towards me. That comes off as not only rude, but immature. Thanks, but please stay out of my threads from now on. I'll stay out of yours.
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Originally Posted by Marty Van Diest
Annie...Alaska is just different in a lot of ways. It's a strange mix of people. It probably is the most socialist state in the US as Floyd said. I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum but I do agree with the common ownership of the resources and in the permanent fund. The only problem I have with the permanent fund is that I think that all of the money the state gets should go to the people and then the state should tax it back. I think the people would be more involved in the government if that were the case.
Anyway...go ahead and come up. I like granola-crunchers! I've got a few in my immediate family and we get along great. I tell them that I only kill the weak and sickly animals when I am hunting...just like all the other predators.
I agree with Met that Talkeetna or Ester might be the most progressive. Remember KABN radio Met?
That is a great post, thank you!
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Originally Posted by Metlakatla
Yeah, Marty....the last real radio station, lol.
Oh and Annie....I didn't call anyone an "idiot" for buying food at the local grocery markets; I called them idjits if they think that doing so exclusively is a more sustainable and "progressive" way to go than following the principles of the 100 mile diet as much as reasonably possible.
Also, if you ever do make it to Alaska, I'm sure you'll find that politically...most people aren't drawn along the same partisan lines as in N. California, for instance. You'll also find more tolerance for the beliefs of others than what you must be used to wherever it is that you live, if your comments are any example of that. I neither hunt (don't eat red meat) nor vote for anyone within ideological miles of the tea party.
Personally I think that the only place in Alaska where you'll find any sizable community of urban liberals is Anchorage because those types don't survive long and the more rural areas.
Yeah, thanks for the clarification. I thought you made a typo. I am pretty smart, educated and adaptive, thanks again for more assumptions about me.
Alaska and it's people are big enough to accomodate all kinds of people and beliefs.
It seems that way, thanks.
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Originally Posted by bortstc37
alaska does have some big people...
Haha
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Originally Posted by freezengirl
In Alaska there is a lot of progressives-progressively independent, stubborn, self-reliant, out of the box thinkers...nothing to do with politics really more of an adaptive strategy shaped to the vast spaces, climate, lack of infrastructure, small populations statewide, local econonomic conditions. The best advice is to park the attitude at the borders and experience Alaska for what it is-a unique, incredible opportunity to experience the last frontier.
I love that about Alaska. That is what draws me to it. That and my brother used to live there, and loved it. Thanks!
Well, hey hey, I remember you too, and your attitude towards me. Seems you haven't changed a bit, either. I may have laughed at the uber defensive attitude of the Alaskans who were not very welcoming, and I was also rudely insulted, and name called, and generally trolled. Anyway, you can stay out of my threads, and I will stay out of yours.
Really, now? Then you remember that my "attitude" towards you was actually very nice and that I did a fair amount of defending you until you went too far. You became extremely nasty and were even banned for a time because of it.
Sorry, but if you remembered me at all, you wouldn't have made the silly tea party statement.
And stop using your political leanings as a crutch.
But my responses were geared towards what I perceive Annie Metal's definition of "progressive" to be based on her last appearance in this forum. Unless she's grown up quite a bit, she won't last long in Alaska (and has no real intention of moving here anymore than she was interested in moving to the other locations on other parts of the board that she flamed).
A search of her posts can show you some of what her true colors really are, but then, during her last rampage here her more nasty posts were deleted before she was given a time out.
It's been so long that I didn't even recognize her user nick. She was so insulting to anyone on this forum who didn't parrot back her green party platitudes that even I couldn't defend her anymore.
But as I said before, most of her snarlings were deleted.
So, still trolling me like ever. You are name-calling, and now slandering me, which, I believe is against forum rules. You don't know me, or anything about me, my intentions, or my personal lifestyle, and your personal attacks will be reported. I may not hold the popular attitude, but don't act like the participants in the threads I have partaken in - in the past, were not completely unfair, while I was called every "liberal slur" in the book, and made fum of for my lifestyle. Jump in a lake, lady.
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader
She posted the same thread in the Vermont forum too...she reads like a troll to me.
Yes, I am interested in these AND MORE places to live. I am figuring out the best match for me, and my family. Thanks for following my threads, guess i must be pretty interesting!
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Originally Posted by Socialism > Capitalism
She doesn't appear a troll to me, maybe she is searching for someplace to go, that is not filled with too many conservatives. Have you thought of that?
Thank you for defending me. I appreciate it. I also have been enjoying our messages ty!
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Originally Posted by Metlakatla
Yes, I've thought of that. But once more time, my responses are based on past experience with this poster.
She probably would "read like a troll" to you if the things that she posted here back in '08 had not been deleted.
Well here you go again, you just can't hate me enough, can you?
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Originally Posted by Socialism > Capitalism
Maybe it is unfair of you to post some things that may be considered private. old or outdated, or perhaps she just has a (American radical) radical view, and is much different from most American peoples. I read all of her posts, as I found her arguments to others, to be similar to what I would have possibly said about Socialism, being I am from Germany.
That is EXACTLY how I feel about it. This is just insane how I am "the bad guy" here to this person. It is pretty funny, in reality.
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Originally Posted by Dusty Rhodes
Actually most folks in Alaska, or so it is to the best of my understanding, really don't hunt crap, various and sundry four legged critters fill a freezer well and cook up quite deliciously, I do a honey/butter Deer ham that will have ya salivating from fifty yards. Crap is something the peta folks like to dish out, then object loudly and long when it flows in their direction.
Yeah, as a member of PETA, I have to say I disagree.
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Originally Posted by Socialism > Capitalism
Many people seem to hate Vegetarians here. I grew up eating meat, but have since changed my ways, as it is the most healthy way to live. I think you all need to back off of Annie Metal. You seem to love to gang up and pick on her, because she seems different to you. I think she seems intelligent, and well intentioned.
Thank you again <3 Yes, I too ate meat, until I was 17, some 20 years ago. Vegan diets reverse heart disease, and so much more. Yes they are picking on me..well a select one or two I would say. ;p
You have done nothing but flame, laugh and mock everything I have said, assume things, and just act generally nasty towards me. That comes off as not only rude, but immature. Thanks, but please stay out of my threads from now on. I'll stay out of yours.
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Not at all the truth. I was actually appalled at the treatment you received here at the hands of a former poster in particular High(and mighty) LandsLady or whatever she called herself. But you kept spitting at everyone else until even I couldn't defend you anymore.
Private? They exist on this forum; they aren't "private".
I brought it up because I happen to value the posters in this forum and don't want to see them played the way she did before.
It has nothing to do with her politics.
Played? Wow. You sure assume the worst in people!
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Originally Posted by Metlakatla
And you just joined today and you're already an expert on us.
Something tells me that when one of the mods compares your IP to that of Ms. Metal's they're going to see more similarities between the "two" of you than just your political leanings.
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Originally Posted by Metlakatla
Nobody hates vegetarians here; I lean towards that myself. What we hate is people trying to tell us how to live, especially when they've got no real knowledge of what living in the North entails.
And about health--again, the traditional SE Native diet is among the healthiest on the planet.
You don't know anything about me, or where I have lived, or my lifestyle! P.S. I didn't get a "time out" from the forums as yo so haughtily phrased it, I just kinda forgot about this place. I am glad I came back, for the most part anyway.
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I am pretty smart, educated and adaptive, thanks again for more assumptions about me.
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