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Jews are Asians from the middle East and Europeans are Europeans. Jews are not ethnic Europeans. They have nothing to do with Europe's culture and ethnic groups. They did attempt to immigrate to Europe (Spain and Germany) and bad things happened in these two countries.
Well when you consider that there were many Europeans that adapted or converted to Judaism,, then yes, there are many Jews that are European descent & Europeans that are Jews & therefore Jews do have a lot to do w/ Europe in many ways.
Also many European Jews (Ashkenazi & Sephardi, Bene Italkim, Romaniote among others) often mostly phenotypically resemble their local host populations of other various faiths, & that has to do with mixing, miscegenation, as well as even conversion to, in, & out of Judaism.
There is also a controversial theory of Sephardim being descended mostly from Edomites,
& converts to Judaism, & then there is the very controversial claims & theories of Ashkenazim being descended mostly from Kharzars & converts.
It has been confirmed that Ashkenazi Jews are in fact mostly European, and the maternal lineages point to NON Jewish origins. Also we can't forget to mention the heavy incest & inbreeding that has occurred over time among many and/or certain Jewish groups. The genetic studies & findings on Ashkenazi Jews is a big paradox to many Zionists' claims, since it's the maternal/matrilineal ancestry that determines one's recognition as being part of the Jewish religion (at least religion wise to be recognized as a Jew) :
Do you do realize that the Jewish homeland was established by the League of Nations in the 1920s, long before 1948? Did you watch the video I posted on page 3? The Jews, tired of being unwelcome in the countries they called home, decided in 1948 to claim the land they were given by the world so that they could live in peace without the threat of extermination. Israel is a liberal secular country where all people of all faiths including Arab Muslims are free to live.
Most Jews are not religious, and thus they see no reason to wait for the Messiah before establishing their state, so why should they have to wait for something most of them don't even believe in? The world agreed that the Jews were the only people had ever had a sovereign nation in the area, so they have a right to the light.
The Jews did not displace anyone, so I'm not sure where you're getting your racist attitude from. Many Arabs live in peace in Israel. The only ones who don't live in peace are the ones that want to drive the Jews in the sea, and establish the Islamic Caliphate.
Please watch the video on page three.
Before you go around labeling people as having a racist attitude get YOUR ("racist") attitude & facts in check, & learn to give respective opinions. You have a long way to go. If anyone has a racist attitude or is being "racist" here it is YOU! You're resorting to personal attacks simply because you're confused, or disagree w/ something & other semantic disputes which is childish, immature, & has no basis & is unnecessary, and it says more about you than it does about me or anyone else here. LOL & SMFH! Just sad! Smh
I also suggest you look up the definition of "racist" & "racism" before you go around using words that you lack knowledge of in actual meaning & it's definition.
FYI, Israelis are NOT a race. Jews are NOT a race. Palestinians are NOT a race. Also there is nothing racist about speaking the truth and/or giving objective opinion. Race was not even mentioned here. Stick to the topic dude!
Do you do realize that the Jewish homeland was established by the League of Nations in the 1920s, long before 1948? Did you watch the video I posted on page 3? The Jews, tired of being unwelcome in the countries they called home, decided in 1948 to claim the land they were given by the world so that they could live in peace without the threat of extermination. Israel is a liberal secular country where all people of all faiths including Arab Muslims are free to live.
Most Jews are not religious, and thus they see no reason to wait for the Messiah before establishing their state, so why should they have to wait for something most of them don't even believe in? The world agreed that the Jews were the only people had ever had a sovereign nation in the area, so they have a right to the light.
The Jews did not displace anyone, so I'm not sure where you're getting your racist attitude from. Many Arabs live in peace in Israel. The only ones who don't live in peace are the ones that want to drive the Jews in the sea, and establish the Islamic Caliphate.
Please watch the video on page three.
Btw, yes I watched all of your video link that YOU posted!
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1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.
2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?
3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of Israel?
4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron’s 120, 000 Palestinians?
5. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars?
6. Did you know that US aid to Israel ($1.8 billion annually in military aid alone) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.
7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Black-hawk helicopters. As Israel’s main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state’s “qualitative edge” in weapons over its neighbors.
8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel’s bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)
9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?
10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces?
11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it? (Imagine if an Islamic country like Iraq did this!)
12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions?
13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?
14. Did you know that Israel’s current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be “personally and directly responsible” for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?
15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime.
16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run “Jews Only” job ads?
17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a “positive image” of Israel to the American public?
18. Did you know that Sharon’s coalition government includes a party–Molodet–which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories?
19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestinian territory in 1948?
20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel’s third largest political party) openly advocates a ‘Final Solution’ to annihilate the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: “The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.”
21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?
22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the “living stones” of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation.
23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel’s High Court of Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners?
24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world?
25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords?
26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike?
27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians?
28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon’s public call for a unilateral ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent!
29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse?
30. Nelson Mandela called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like South Africa used to be.
The Jews are the only people alive today that had a sovereign state in what is today Israel. No other people on earth have cultural or historical roots in the land. Israel is a secular state that wants to exist because it has every right to exist. They would do anything for peace including a two state solution which they have offered many times. By contrast, Hamas only wants a one state solution... with that one state being an Islamic one. They do not have historical ties to the land, but they are motivated by religious texts that tell them the Jews must be driven into the sea.
The Jews are the only people alive today that had a sovereign state in what is today Israel. No other people on earth have cultural or historical roots in the land. Israel is a secular state that wants to exist because it has every right to exist. They would do anything for peace including a two state solution which they have offered many times. By contrast, Hamas only wants a one state solution... with that one state being an Islamic one. They do not have historical ties to the land, but they are motivated by religious texts that tell them the Jews must be driven into the sea.
Do you do realize that the Jewish homeland was established by the League of Nations in the 1920s, long before 1948? Did you watch the video I posted on page 3? The Jews, tired of being unwelcome in the countries they called home, decided in 1948 to claim the land they were given by the world so that they could live in peace without the threat of extermination. Israel is a liberal secular country where all people of all faiths including Arab Muslims are free to live.
Most Jews are not religious, and thus they see no reason to wait for the Messiah before establishing their state, so why should they have to wait for something most of them don't even believe in? The world agreed that the Jews were the only people had ever had a sovereign nation in the area, so they have a right to the light.
The Jews did not displace anyone, so I'm not sure where you're getting your racist attitude from. Many Arabs live in peace in Israel. The only ones who don't live in peace are the ones that want to drive the Jews in the sea, and establish the Islamic Caliphate.
Please watch the video on page three.
Puerto Ricans don't exist because Puerto Rico is not a nation state. And it was a colony under Spain. Or Native Americans didn't exist in the Americas before Columbus because they did not have nation states. This is the same logic being used as to why Palestine did not exist before 1948. Maybe they should say that a free and independent nation of Palestine didn't exist, but an occupied one did exist. Israel as an independent and non servient nation claim has to go back to 722 BCE or 2,736 years ago. Almost three thousand years ago. Please don't ever tell me the Palestinians didn't exist before 1948 and this gave European Jews the right to displace them. The Mizrahi Jews local to the area where a minority and only grew to a much larger size when Arab nations kicked out their large Jewish populations AFTER the land grab orchestrated from Europe. The mass expulsion of Jews was also a consequence of this unjust land grab orchestrated from Europe, long accustomed to being colonizers of other lands. In this sense, Ashkenazi Jews were similar to the persecuted Puritans who then went to other people's lands and took their land away from them. You can't change the past. But spare me the 'Palestinians or Native Americans, were the aggressors. They became aggressive once they realized mass migrations were in place with a plan to take over their land. A migration that was made illegal by the British empire, by the way. So for all of you claiming that the kids from Central America have no right to be here, by past precedent, they not only have the right to migrate here illegally, but to displace locals and set up a nation based on ancient Native American claims. Their DNA is as close in relation to that of Ancient Americans as the Ashkenazi are to Ancient Israel.
Do you do realize that the Jewish homeland was established by the League of Nations in the 1920s, long before 1948? Did you watch the video I posted on page 3? The Jews, tired of being unwelcome in the countries they called home, decided in 1948 to claim the land they were given by the world so that they could live in peace without the threat of extermination. Israel is a liberal secular country where all people of all faiths including Arab Muslims are free to live.
Most Jews are not religious, and thus they see no reason to wait for the Messiah before establishing their state, so why should they have to wait for something most of them don't even believe in? The world agreed that the Jews were the only people had ever had a sovereign nation in the area, so they have a right to the light.
The Jews did not displace anyone, so I'm not sure where you're getting your racist attitude from. Many Arabs live in peace in Israel. The only ones who don't live in peace are the ones that want to drive the Jews in the sea, and establish the Islamic Caliphate.
Please watch the video on page three.
Let me give you all a small rant.
One, Anti-Semitism would mean one is against Judaism, not against an oppressive regime in Israel. In fact, many beliefs, analysis, and observations on the current state of Palestinian-Israeli nations are based on a ton of gargantuan knowledge received and obtained from Jewish elders who told of and spoke about their experiences there. One of them being Hofstra's Professor Krieger, a Jewish Law professor who told me much about the oppressive state of Palestinians today. Tell him he is anti-Semitic. Stefan Krieger - Maurice A. Deane School of Law - Hofstra University
Populations are concentrated in the areas where the scarce resources are. Most of the less concentrated areas are failing farm lands. Do a google earth exploration of those regions. And it is the virtual blockade that has led to such scarcity.
Let's go back in time and do a rough historic look and contrast it with other populations with oppressed plights..
The zealot revolt leads to the Jewish nation being wiped off the map by Rome (As is the center of Christianity, where James, the brother of Jesus was the leader of Judaic Christianity). Thus Gentile Christianity led by Peter, and his rival Paul, become the leaders of Christianity in Rome where Constantine would eventually Romanize Christianity.
Roman Catholicism would demonify Jews as the killers of Jesus and so many abuses of Jews would occur. Not by the ancestors of Palestinians, mind you, but by Europeans.
Jewish populations are held to different standards in Europe but many regions did allow Jews to amass wealth as many financial practices were seen as below the ruling classes. This led to more resentment as many Jewish communities prospered, even with anti-Semitism. In other regions they lived in squalor, in ways similar to other segregated communities like the Roma (who descend from expulsed communities in India).
Eventually the Muslim expansion would lead to Spain being conquered and conflicts between Christians and Muslims in the Holy Land would occur. The locals of the Levant that were not scattered to other nations where converted multiple times, most eventually to Islam. These are the ancestors of the Palestinians.
Spain throws off its yolk of Islam and also finds the Americas where with their religious fervor they take away land from the 'infidels.' In similar vein, the Puritans seek to escape religious oppression in the Americas, but as there is no nation states in the locals, they see fit to take over the lands and claim it as their own. So called Manifest destiny. Many Native Americans seeing their lands taken away from them, end up conducting many raids where they killed innocent women and children. But these people were moving into Native lands. Of course the clamor for the heads of these savages was called. And Native Americans in general were set into reservations and all their rights curtailed because they were all savages.
Now Europeans, due to their constant wars end up with a Germany in severe economic depression and they find a scapegoat in the Jewish communities, many who have been doing rather well for themselves.
So Germany conducts a Holocaust, which was horrible any way you look at it. But it was horrible, not only for Jews, but also for the Roma. But no one talks of them or any right of nation for them.
Now, vast amounts of Jews migrate to the US where, in a nation where their rights are protected they prosper and influence all levels of government and art. In all senses, Jews have a safe haven.
At this point in time, Zionism is NOT the most popular concept among the Jewish diaspora. Nor is taking away lands from local Palestinians and creating a Nation State. Before Zionist migration into the Levant, the vast majority of people there were Palestinians and they were NOT attacking or harassing the Jewish minority.
Europeans, based on their collective guilt, decide to give Israel a home country, much based on historic and religious ties with Jews, so when local Palestinians where 'liberated' from Ottoman Turks, by the British Empire, the Brits and the UN thought they could assign the land to whomever they pleased, regardless of what the locals felt. Consider the Balfour Declaration. But even then, Britain would recant and put in laws to stop Jewish migration into Israel. At the time, the Jewish population, including European and Native born Jews was only one sixth the size of the local Palestinian population.
So Jews migrated ILLEGALLY. This led to hostility with the Palestinian populations that were well aware that since the Balfour Declaration in 1917 that Jews, with support of many Europeans, where trying to create a nation on their lands. Now, Zionists claim the right based on a 2,000 year old nation, but Palestinians claim right from birth and multiple generations. And Jews had a safe haven to migrate to. The US. In fact, many did, and did not support Zionism.
When Britain divides the Palestinian Mandate into Israel and Palestine roughly half/half, it took away local land and gave it to a vast majority of immigrants. But then, they had their Manifest Destiny in Zionism. There are plenty of Jewish accounts of terror tactics against Palestinians to make them flee. And in a war that Zionist had extensively planned for and fomented, they easily defeated the Arab armies and took even more Palestinian land. You have to give credit for Zionists for being very well organized and well-armed with money that was coming from Europe and the US.
Now most Palestinians are being shoved into Reservations and the rationalization is that Israelis are descendants of victims of the Holocaust and they have a right to nationhood and existence. But we haven’t given that right to Native Americans, African Americans, the Roma, or many other oppressed people. Nor do we support the Roma going for a land grab with US and European financial support to carve a land in India. Or African Americans to create a nation in Africa (although we did experiment with Liberia and the tensions there speak volumes).
Why don't we? Because being a victim doesn't mean we get a free card to be victimizers. We still prosecute abusers who were abused as children.
We have Israelis born in Israel today who have every right to be there. But so do the Palestinians, and giving Palestinians the crumbs and putting them in Reservations and calling it a two nation solution is not a solution at all. And then you wonder why Hamas and other 'raiding parties' who kill innocent women and children still have support in the reservations. Because they are seeing themselves oppressed.
I don’t see anyone push for a Kurdish nation state. So why does Israel get a free pass because of their oppression, primarily by European nations? And if Europe who controlled the UN, wanted to give them land, why didn't they do it in Europe? No, they chose someone else's land because they were weaker, it was no loss to Europe, and both could feel good because of their Judeo-Christian beliefs. Jews felt they had a manifest destiny because of their religious beliefs, and many Christians have the belief that a Jewish nation must exist for Christian prophecies to occur. But remove that, and what you have is a First world funded grab of territory for one abused population at the expense of another.
Historic abuses happened, and we can't correct one mistake by committing another. We can't turn back the clock. I don't agree that Zionists had a right to create a nation on Palestinian territory. But it is there and it would be an injustice to Israelis born there to lose the only home they knew. In the same vein, Palestinians also have a right to have a home to live in free of oppression. So while I do not agree that Israel today doesn't have a right to exist, I don't believe Israel has a right to keep oppressing Palestinians. Palestinians should be allowed to fully integrate in one nation a Palestine-Israel that is beyond religion and protects all its citizens. Let the separatists of both factions go live in the hinterlands of Gaza and the West Bank.
There may be no easy solutions, but spare me the claim that Israel has no blame and that Hamas is just evil Islam, and that all Palestinians are to blame for the massacre that is going there today. Hamas may use many tunnels for their raids, much like the Indian war parties of old, but most tunnels are just escape tunnels in a huge concentration camp/reservation.
Because most people in Latin America are brainwashed drones who believe in Left Wing propaganda and Marxist nonsense.
Hello pot. Meet kettle!
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Most people in these places have absolutely no idea or understanding of what is really going on there.
You mean like the Israelis rounding up Palestinians and putting them in concentration camps? I wonder where we have seen that before...
Personally, I don't support terrorists of any flavour. However, I get sick of being constantly reminded about how horrible the Jews were treated in Nazi Germany, all the while listening to excuses as to why the hypocritical Israelis are "justified" for jackbooting around the Middle East in the same manner the Wehrmacht did all over 1940's Europe.
BTW: The reasons why one is for or againstan issue or government isn't so simple as absent-mindedly branding it a right or left wing ideal like you have with virtually everything in the United States of America. How's that working out for you, BTW?
Before you go around labeling people as having a racist attitude get YOUR ("racist") attitude & facts in check, & learn to give respective opinions.
I consider posts (such as yours) that regurgitate information from clearly racist websites to be racist in nature. Perhaps you consider that site to be non-racist. Okay, then does liar sound like a better descriptor? One doesn't have to read very far into your "facts" before they stumble upon lies.
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30 LITTLE KNOWN FACTS ABOUT ISRAEL:
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2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?
This is lie #1. Many more follow, but I don't have time right now to go through them all. Do your own homework before posting any more lies.
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