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Old 10-25-2006, 12:52 PM
 
Location: On the border, SW AZ
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What part of 'ILLEGAL" is misunderstood here? People who sneak across the border are "INVADERS" criminally liable for deportation. They deserve nothing but a trip back to the wire ASAP! If two illegals have a child born in the US... this does not make the child a US Citizen. One parent must be a US citizen already. Enough is enough! No 'illegal' should be 'admitted' to anything... 'given' anything... or 'entitled' to anything other than deportation or jail.
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Old 10-25-2006, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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What part of 'ILLEGAL" is misunderstood here? People who sneak across the border are "INVADERS" criminally liable for deportation. They deserve nothing but a trip back to the wire ASAP! If two illegals have a child born in the US... this does not make the child a US Citizen. One parent must be a US citizen already. Enough is enough! No 'illegal' should be 'admitted' to anything... 'given' anything... or 'entitled' to anything other than deportation or jail.
Read the Constitution - 14th Amendment and get back with us.
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:32 PM
 
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Default He is saying what should be!

He is saying what should be and not what is!! Very few people I presume are happy with the anchor baby problem. It is a problem. That means all you have to do is sneak over the border, squat, and you have a US citizen. Fr some reason Mexico has the whole Congress bamboozled because we just keep going along with what Mexico and the illegals want. Oh, a few gestures of toughness every once in a while, but that is all. They never go anywhere.

I have always thought that the US should act the way other Countries treat us. We don't. Other Countries treat us like crap and we turn the other cheek and ask "Got any more crap you can throw at us?" People use the idea that the US is a free Country to justify all manner of intrusion against our laws. When will it stop?
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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He is saying what should be and not what is!! Very few people I presume are happy with the anchor baby problem. It is a problem. That means all you have to do is sneak over the border, squat, and you have a US citizen. Fr some reason Mexico has the whole Congress bamboozled because we just keep going along with what Mexico and the illegals want. Oh, a few gestures of toughness every once in a while, but that is all. They never go anywhere.

I have always thought that the US should act the way other Countries treat us. We don't. Other Countries treat us like crap and we turn the other cheek and ask "Got any more crap you can throw at us?" People use the idea that the US is a free Country to justify all manner of intrusion against our laws. When will it stop?

The fact they know this just makes it worse, they just keep popping them out! I feel bad for the kids that they are used this way, I once saw a lady that had 8 kids, welfare and illegal!! I know this because anther neighbor threatened to turn her in but they ran. I felt for the kids.
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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He is saying what should be and not what is!! Very few people I presume are happy with the anchor baby problem. It is a problem. That means all you have to do is sneak over the border, squat, and you have a US citizen. Fr some reason Mexico has the whole Congress bamboozled because we just keep going along with what Mexico and the illegals want. Oh, a few gestures of toughness every once in a while, but that is all. They never go anywhere.

I have always thought that the US should act the way other Countries treat us. We don't. Other Countries treat us like crap and we turn the other cheek and ask "Got any more crap you can throw at us?" People use the idea that the US is a free Country to justify all manner of intrusion against our laws. When will it stop?
Mexico has nothing to do with it really. The reason we have no effective effort against illegals is that those who profit from them own our government. Take our own John McCain, author of the Senate amnesty bill. AZ has three primary industries - hospitality, agriculture, and construction. What industries profit the most from illegals in AZ? The connection is obvious. There is NO HOPE for any resolution of the illegal issue short of a severe recession/depression that evaporates jobs. In that case, we all go down. States that have referenda will continue to pass anti-illegal laws that will simply be struck down by the courts. I guess I am pretty cynical, but I think government "for the people" is long gone if it ever existed. Illegal immigration is simply the proof. I don't think there has been an issue in my lifetime on which so many people were united. And nothing is being done.
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:49 PM
 
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That means all you have to do is sneak over the border, squat, and you have a US citizen.
As a woman who has endured both natural and "medicated" child birth, I say let 'em automatically become citizens if they're willing to do it w/o meds! Okay, I'm really only joking. But as a parent, I understand the desire to do whatever is within your power to give your kids the best opportunities available. But you also have to be a good role model for your kids, too. Being in constant violation of the law isn't what I would consider a good role model.

Kids need to be taught by example that just because you will likely get away with something doesn't mean you should do it.
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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As a woman who has endured both natural and "medicated" child birth, I say let 'em automatically become citizens if they're willing to do it w/o meds! Okay, I'm really only joking. But as a parent, I understand the desire to do whatever is within your power to give your kids the best opportunities available. But you also have to be a good role model for your kids, too. Being in constant violation of the law isn't what I would consider a good role model.

Kids need to be taught by example that just because you will likely get away with something doesn't mean you should do it.
Okay now, hey I popped out four without meds, one was 10.5 pounds, do I get an award too!!!
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Old 10-25-2006, 01:56 PM
 
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Well, I am going to err on the heart side, as the head side hasn't done much for me. The more educated everyone is, the better off our society will be. Sort of like the trickle down theory.
What about American children who don't have access to in state tuition. Like when I move to NC I have to wait a year.
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Old 10-25-2006, 02:04 PM
 
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Mexico has nothing to do with it really. The reason we have no effective effort against illegals is that those who profit from them own our government. Take our own John McCain, author of the Senate amnesty bill. AZ has three primary industries - hospitality, agriculture, and construction. What industries profit the most from illegals in AZ? The connection is obvious. There is NO HOPE for any resolution of the illegal issue short of a severe recession/depression that evaporates jobs. In that case, we all go down. States that have referenda will continue to pass anti-illegal laws that will simply be struck down by the courts. I guess I am pretty cynical, but I think government "for the people" is long gone if it ever existed. Illegal immigration is simply the proof. I don't think there has been an issue in my lifetime on which so many people were united. And nothing is being done.

What on Earth do you mean? There is nothing more that Fox wants or any Mexican President than to push their poor citizens up here. The more they push up here the more money gets sent home to Mexico and hence the more prosperity for Mexico at our expense. If they can have babies knowing the welfare system will provide they will do it. I am really surprised anyone saying that Mexico hasn't anything to do with it. I am getting the impression from some people that the US should just lay down and die until it gets so bad with the invasion people will go postal, or if they are mechanics maybe go mechanical, or electricians go electrical. Something like that.
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Old 10-25-2006, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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What about American children who don't have access to in state tuition. Like when I move to NC I have to wait a year.
Well I think you should have to wait. And if I move I think it fair that I wait for whatever period the law requires. The taxpayers of NC or wherever I move paid for those schools while you and I made a living and basking in the Arizona sun and paying our taxes to support UofA, ASU, NSU. It's only right that we be required to pay one year's taxes before we get a break. AZ law does not allow someone to just cross the border and go to college as a resident. What Prop 300 is doing is ADDING a requirement that one be a citizen to all the other residency requirements and tests. In other words, it is not good enough that you or your parents have lived in this state for 15 years, held a job, paid taxes - maybe all under the radar - you have to be a citizen too. That is what I don't like about it. I'm leaning toward the position that if someone can show they have lived in this state and contributed to the economy and the tax base for the same amount of time that a citizen did, then that should be good enough. Most of the people who would be impacted by this Prop were brought here as children and committed no crime except living in their parents home.

And I'm also bothered about the fairness of 300 when I see free-loading Californians, Texans, Minnesotans and you-name-it with their out-of-state license plates picking up their kids at my daughter's school. They are breaking state laws, too, and getting away with it.
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