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Macau's self rule hasn't been reduced. The small city has always been much more pro Beijing because Portuguese rule was regarded as "bully the Chinese", therefore the people were wishing Portuguese rule to end ASAP. Separatism is never talked about in Macau because it cannot survive without help from Mainland China. Gambling and prostitution are banned in mainland China but it allows Macau to be as capitalist or immoral as the West, not banning them in Macau after it was returned to China. It can only do fine with many gamblers, most from mainland China. It is too small and unable to find alternative good ways to earn high income.
this is not true, hong kong people are many times more anti british than macau people are anti protuguese.
you know that the hong kongers rise up in the 60s to try to revolt against the british and were severely cracked down right?
The way I see it, is that macau is ruled by gambling tycoons (many from US), while hong kong is ruled by real estate tycoons.
real estate tycoons are more worry about the ccp because chinese government has insisted that housing is for living not for investing/profiting. There are strict laws that limits personal purchase of house to something like one per person that has a huko. This results in a some what controlled and affordable real estate prices.
That is the last thing that real estate tycoons want to see in hong kong, that would destroy their monopoly. So they are the ones that works behind the scene. I have mentioned this before, there was a 8 years period where there are little protest and everyone seems to be happy in hk during the chief executive tsang in the 2000s.
And those wonder why, tsang stopped building public housing for that period to please the real estate tycoons
It is SAR. Special Administrative Region in English.
HK has illegal workers now during Covid. Few days ago, women travelled by boats illegally entered HK to be sex workers , avoiding qurantine requirement. It had much more illegal workers from other countries and Mainland China before Covid. The income of some jobs, construction workers, home and shop renovation workers, dishwashers and sex workers are high comparing with the income where the illegal workers came from. Macau has the same situation too.
It is SAR. Special Administrative Region in English.
HK has illegal workers now during Covid. It had much more illegal workers from other countries and Mainland China before Covid. The income of some jobs, construction workers, home and shop renovation workers, dishwashers and sex workers are high comparing with the income where the illegal workers came from. Macau has the same situation too.
yeah, but the majority of those foreign workers (legal or illegal) are from south east asia.
you are right about one profession, it's better for the chinese sex worker to go to hong kong to work because of less penalties their family/friends won't find out even if they are caught.
No, at least half of the ILLEGAL workers are mainlanders, the reason for this is due to easier communication. Most illegal companies in Macau and hk hiring them speak only Cantonese and mandarin, no English. The legal ones with work visas include many southeast asian women.
HK people who were anti British by violence in 1967 were hated by most residents at that time.
Why? Violence.
Nowadays the anti Chinese youths are largely hated too because of the same reason coz they did something similar to the 1967 riot.
No, Stanley Ho had been the most influential in Macau. US casinos were late, starting in this century.
Real estate tycoons in the SARs don't have to worry mainland housing policies because SARs have their own policies and are more free market than most other places in the world.
Both Macau and HK had anti colonial government activities in the 1960s. The cultural revolution impacted anti European movements in Macau and HK then.
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Originally Posted by maomao
this is not true, hong kong people are many times more anti british than macau people are anti protuguese.
you know that the hong kongers rise up in the 60s to try to revolt against the british and were severely cracked down right?
The way I see it, is that macau is ruled by gambling tycoons (many from US), while hong kong is ruled by real estate tycoons.
real estate tycoons are more worry about the ccp because chinese government has insisted that housing is for living not for investing/profiting. There are strict laws that limits personal purchase of house to something like one per person that has a huko. This results in a some what controlled and affordable real estate prices
HK people who were anti British by violence in 1967 were hated by most residents at that time.
Why? Violence.
Nowadays the anti Chinese youths are largely hated too because of the same reason coz they did something similar to the 1967 riot.
No, Stanley Ho had been the most influential in Macau. US casinos were late, starting in this century.
Real estate tycoons in the SARs don't have to worry mainland housing policies because SARs have their own policies and are more free market than most other places in the world.
Both Macau and HK had anti colonial government activities in the 1960s. The cultural revolution impacted anti European movements in Macau and HK then.
well, I wouldn't compare today's protest/riot to the 1967 one since the 1967 one are way more violent and a number of people died.
To add to this topic, the british are way more sneaky as they planted many bombs as gift before the 97 "handover". oh guess when HK starts to have a rapidly democratic system? the couple years right before 1997. All thanks to the last governor whom the anti chinese hong kongers still calls "lord"
yes, even though the US came late, they probably still account for half of the casinos and they are at the mercy of the macau government to renew the gambling licenses every several years. So you will never hear the US government sanctioning the macau government.
As for the real estate tycoons, their worrying is not unjust if you think about it. Their profit is solely depending on the desirability of living in hong kong compare to neighboring greater bay area cities. In some ways, the national security bill hurts them big time because now they can't sell hong kong as the last place on earth without national security law
If you were to live in a place subject to the national security law of china, why would you pay higher prices for less space to live in hong kong as oppose to say shenzheng or macau?
No, at least half of the ILLEGAL workers are mainlanders
well, I want to see some data on this, I watch hong kong news daily, the only illegal workers they caught that are from china are the sex workers.
now a days the border controls are so tight so I don't remember when was the last time they caught some "II"s
so to be a illegal worker from mainland, you must be carrying a "double trip" visa that has short staying limits of weeks, so the only type of work that makes sense for are sex work and smuggling work.
no one on their right mind would pay money to apply for a "double trip" visa just to go wash dishes in hk for two weeks
STDM of the Ho family has more casinos in Macau than all other companies. Two other companies are chaired by Stanley Ho's children cooperating with American and Australian casinos. Another company is a HK Chinese business. Only two companies, Wynn and Sands China are from the US.
The US not sanctioning Macau doesn't mean they will have a good relation. Macau government is always on both HK and Beijing side, having the same foreign relations with other countries. Two US companies operating gambling in the small Macau is so unimportant compared with US interests in the bigger mainland and HK. The US hurts its businesses overseas by making foreign relations worse.
No, national security laws are real good news to big HK businesses without lies. They support it and they are not hiding their real feelings about it. Their opinions and interests are different from protestors because they are successful people and not in western countries.
HK still has different policies from Macau and Mainland China after the new laws. People still have businesses and jobs in HK. These are the reasons most people aren't leaving for cheaper or bigger houses in Mainland and overseas. Crossing the Shenzhen bay and river everyday two times is very inconvenient. Many people live in affordable public housing without the need to look for cheaper houses outside of HK. Shopping is so convenient and cheap in HK, mainlanders would apply visas and go to HK from Guangzhou or further just for shopping. HK people have no intention to leave the city with convenient and cheap shopping without taxes. HK businesses too, not leaving due to the low tax rates.
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Originally Posted by maomao
well, I wouldn't compare today's protest/riot to the 1967 one since the 1967 one are way more violent and a number of people died.
To add to this topic, the british are way more sneaky as they planted many bombs as gift before the 97 "handover". oh guess when HK starts to have a rapidly democratic system? the couple years right before 1997. All thanks to the last governor whom the anti chinese hong kongers still calls "lord"
yes, even though the US came late, they probably still account for half of the casinos and they are at the mercy of the macau government to renew the gambling licenses every several years. So you will never hear the US government sanctioning the macau government.
As for the real estate tycoons, their worrying is not unjust if you think about it. Their profit is solely depending on the desirability of living in hong kong compare to neighboring greater bay area cities. In some ways, the national security bill hurts them big time because now they can't sell hong kong as the last place on earth without national security law
If you were to live in a place subject to the national security law of china, why would you pay higher prices for less space to live in hong kong as oppose to say shenzheng or macau?
STDM of the Ho family has more casinos in Macau than all other companies. Two other companies are chaired by Stanley Ho's children cooperating with American and Australian casinos. Another company is a HK Chinese business. Only two companies, Wynn and Sands China are from the US.
The US not sanctioning Macau doesn't mean they will have a good relation. Macau government is always on both HK and Beijing side, having the same foreign relations with other countries. Two US companies operating gambling in the small Macau is so unimportant compared with US interests in the bigger mainland and HK. The US hurts its businesses overseas by making foreign relations worse.
No, national security laws are real good news to big HK businesses without lies. They support it and they are not hiding their real feelings about it. Their opinions and interests are different from protestors because they are successful people and not in western countries.
HK still has different policies from Macau and Mainland China after the new laws. People still have businesses and jobs in HK. These are the reasons most people aren't leaving for cheaper or bigger houses in Mainland and overseas. Crossing the Shenzhen bay and river everyday two times is very inconvenient. Many people live in affordable public housing without the need to look for cheaper houses outside of HK. Shopping is so convenient and cheap in HK, mainlanders would apply visas and go to HK from Guangzhou or further just for shopping. HK people have no intention to leave the city with convenient and cheap shopping without taxes. HK businesses too, not leaving due to the low tax rates.
regarding macau:
yes, my point is that the macau government has leverage in deciding who gets new gambling licenese or renewal every some years. That's a lot of power in the hand of the government controlling the major business of the SAR
regarding hk:
I think you are over counting the influx of the mainlander going into hong kong and under counting hong kong people having families/homes in the mainland.
remember a month ago when hong kong is start to have a major covid outbreak (the seriousness is only second to wuhan in all of china), hong kong people are flocking to the border control trying to get across even if it requires a 14 day mandatory hotel quarantine that costs around 3k rmb
it was getting too much for the canton government to handle so they impose a new rule saying that in order to cross the border for quarantine, the hong kong traveler must have a 72 hours (now only 24 hour) negative test from authorized medical facility that cost another 3k hkd.
and no, crossing the border every day twice is not inconvenience because there are special passes for those people. People that work and go to school in hk and lives in shenzhen. There are news about crossing border students not able to go back to school the upcoming school year due to covid.
this is similar to US people living in washington state and work in Vancouver or BC canadians working in seattle
so in conclusion, it makes perfect sense to do business/work in hong kong (higher wage, cheaper tax), and live in the mainland (cheaper housing and cost of living). So yes, the real estate tycoons better be worry. I'm struggling to find anywhere else in the world where real estate corporations stocks worth so much as in HK.
Hong Kong was never about Democracy. It was about pure Capitalism. That is why it became so rich and why so much business was conducted there. It wasn't about freedom, it was about business/banking/financing.
Hong Kong and its 7m people never had the rights to vote for their leaders. Even before 1997, the HK governor had always been appointed by the British government, not elected by the HK people.
A fact western media never cared to mention. Now they talk as if China is taking away their voting rights (which they never had), and so many people seem to be under the impression that HK was a democratic regime under London's rule and now Beijing is changing that.
Speaking of brainwashing. I don't mind arguing for either side, but at least get the facts straight first.
There really isn't an Asian democracy.Most, however, are better than the DPRK and PRC.
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