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We have special programs and assisstance for such little ones. Maybe your suggestion is good and we need to fund those that have sexual disfunctions too.
Check your stats on the gay disease and depression issue.. you'll be surprised to know how much more it really is.
godspeed,
freedom
It's obvious that you are a Christian, and don't believe in homosexually because the Bible says it's wrong. But you used the issue of depression and disease to justify your prejudices against people who are gay in that post. Even going as far to say it should be illegal. But others are affected by the same thing, however you don't think the same applies to them. The way you argued the point is faulty logic, even without going into the statistic assumptions you made. Your trying to justify your prejudices as fact.
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Dear Brian, how nice of you to remember me. Unfortunately, I can't keep up with all the threads that I have contributed to, and I don't remember what it was we crossed swords about!
Back to your original comment, above.
Sorry, no can do. We are ALL sinners. If my saying that offends or bores you.....well the truth does hurt sometimes.
Dear Elizabeth, no problem - I am a nice person.
Thanks, you are so right. The truth does hurt sometimes, but sadly for your holier-than-though attitude, the bible contains very little truth, and an awful lot of 3000 year old bigotry. In fact, if you take Jesus out of the bible, most of what is left borders on the evil - not my idea of truth at all, sorry.
A book that has been a blight on humanity for that length of time, and has been directly responsible for untold friction, wars, slaughter, and bloodshed, is not the kind of thing that best serves society in the 21st Century - justify it's nastiness how you will.
Oddly enough, I do respect your right to believe what you will - all I ask is that you accord the same right to me. I'll say it again -YOUR LAWS DON'T IMPINGE ON MY LIFE - how difficult is that to understand?
Respectfully, Brian.
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It's obvious that you are a Christian, and don't believe in homosexually because the Bible says it's wrong.
Homosexuality is a reality not a belief, and i've never said i was a Christian... that is a title to high to take upon oneself.
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But you used the issue of depression and disease to justify your prejudices against people who are gay in that post.
Whether you understand it or not, i care for people that have the challenge of being Gay, i am not prejudice against them... the facts are facts regarding their health, mental and physical, i don't make them up.
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Even going as far to say it should be illegal.
As i said, its illegal not to wear a seatbelt, it use to be illegal to perform gay sex, it was considered immoral and repugnant, not to long ago. If we protect people from undue injury in car accidents, we should consider helping them in other ways as well.
If it is such a destructive and difficult lifestyle there should be help for those that do not wish to live in it. I advocate for funding help programs for sexually confused people. Not to condemn them and be prejudice against them. Of all the gays i know and have met, they mostly wish they were not gay. So lets find ways to help them, not enable them.
freedom;5850676]Nope, that's your predisposition... i have no spitefulness or rancour towards anyone, gay or straight. I do counter the I'm Gay and God made me that way crowd.
Don't say what i believe or do not believe, you have no clue to what i am or what i know, or who i know, or what i believe. Leave your labels for the garbage can.
That's a bit rich - you have no problem sticking labels on everybody else, do you? I've seen this attitude so many times - you haven't hesitated to condemn my life as a gay man, even though you have no idea who I am either ... so what gives YOU the right to 'counter' (your word) the acceptance of the folk you stick your wretched labels on? Let's stick to a level playing field, at the very least.
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Start a thread on it, would love to discuss it. Again you don't know what or how i feel. So stop trying too.
I beg to differ - your idea of discussion falls too far short of an intelligent debate as to make it a total waste of my time. As I said earlier, you never think things through, and that's a very poor starting point. Ready-made prejudices don't count as an argument..
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Maybe that's your problem, your reading between lines, where there is nothingness...try taking what someone says as what they mean and discussion can be fruitful.
Again, Veils, between the lines... would you like to think and speak for everyone? Try listening to what people type and you might learn what they think and feel.
If you cared about people's feelings, Freedom, you would go away and find something more positive to do with your time - or are you addicted to sniping at everything outside of your narrow confines?
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Is that your goal?
Ah! I see - the issue of the Bible condoning slavery neatly side-stepped! Well, yes actually, when I see all the trouble your bible has been responsible for over 2000 years, I think it deserves to be seen as the pernicious book that it really is, and as such, treated as no more than a collection of mostly bloodthirsty, inhumane and irrelevant stories.
Not only that, but an actual hindrance to the advancement to 21st Century knowledge, reason, and basic kindness. So it isn't my 'goal' to argue about it, only to help draw people's attention to how harmful the bible can be in the hands of you and your intolerant friends.
Thanks, you are so right. The truth does hurt sometimes, but sadly for your holier-than-though attitude, the bible contains very little truth, and an awful lot of 3000 year old bigotry. In fact, if you take Jesus out of the bible, most of what is left borders on the evil - not my idea of truth at all, sorry.
A book that has been a blight on humanity for that length of time, and has been directly responsible for untold friction, wars, slaughter, and untold bloodshed, is not the kind of thing that best serves society in the 21st Century - justify it's nastiness how you will.
Oddly enough, I do respect your right to believe what you will - all I ask is
that you accord the same right to me. I'll say it again -YOUR LAWS DON'T IMPINGE ON MY LIFE - how difficult is that to understand?
Respectfully, Brian.
Why on earth should I try to impinge on your life? I have no interest in your life. I don't even know you.
You seem to take my beliefs (to which I am perfectly entitled) very personally. This is a forum for opinions and beliefs. You may not like mine but they are every bit as worthy of respect as yours.
I think it's called free speech, isn't it?
As regards the Bible, you sound positively rabid on the subject. Do try and get a grip.
I happen to believe, that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life.
That is my belief, which, I have no intention, and never have, of forcing on anyone else.
It is you that seems to be lacking in the tolerance department.
Oh, by the way, I have just told my other half that I am 'holier than thou'.
He's still laughing. (Not me, Guv.)
That's a bit rich - you have no problem sticking labels on everybody else, do you? I've seen this attitude so many times - you haven't hesitated to condemn my life as a gay man, even though you have no idea who I am either ... so what gives YOU the right to 'counter' (your word) the acceptance of the folk you stick your wretched labels on? Let's stick to a level playing field, at the very least.
What labels am i sticking on people? You chose gay, not me. I don't condemn you, that is for you to do or not to do, i can't condemn anyone but myself.
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I beg to differ - your idea of discussion falls too far short of an intelligent debate as to make it a total waste of my time. As I said earlier, you never think things through, and that's a very poor starting point. Ready-made prejudices don't count as an argument..
Defeatest attitude, you don't like what i say, so you can't discuss it?
Try the facts as a foundation.
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If you cared about people's feelings, Freedom, you would go away and find something more positive to do with your time - or are you addicted to sniping at everything outside of your narrow confines?
Spoken like a true addict... leave me alone, don't try to help me... i'm fine the way i am...
You brought up the topic for all the world to discuss...labeling a different opinion as phobic... who is boxing who in?
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Ah! I see - the issue of the Bible condoning slavery neatly side-stepped! Well, yes actually, when I see all the trouble your bible has been responsible for over 2000 years, I think it deserves to be seen as the pernicious book that it really is, and as such, treated as no more than a collection of mostly bloodthirsty, inhumane and irrelevant stories.
Slavery has been around for much longer than the bible, who you going to blame for that? The Scriptures have been around for over 5,000 yrs. Slavery has been around since the dawn of time and still is, do you really think slavery has been abolished around the world? It is perpetuated by people who have never even read the Judeo-Christian bible.
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Not only that, but an actual hindrance to the advancement to 21st Century knowledge, reason, and basic kindness. So it isn't my 'goal' to argue about it, only to help draw people's attention to how harmful the bible can be in the hands of you and your intolerant friends.
Like i've said before, the Scriptures have been used to justify untold evil, but not everyone uses it to do so. In fact it is the few that have used the bible to get selfish gains, and justify murder, rape and pillage.
Far more good has come from those that keep the words of the bible than bad.
As to the topic at hand, your lifestyle is far more dangerous than any book, and that i feel you are not prepared to accept.
brianrees brought this topic up in the atheist forum, not R&P, which suggests that he was not looking for bible input. If I bring up a topic in the Atheist forum I am usually curious what other agnostics and atheists think. If I want to debate or follow another person's debate, I will go to R&P. I am sure you are not a bad person Freedom, but you are treading on proselytizing in that last post.
brianrees brought this topic up in the atheist forum, not R&P, which suggests that he was not looking for bible input. If I bring up a topic in the Atheist forum I am usually curious what other agnostics and atheists think. If I want to debate or follow another person's debate, I will go to R&P. I am sure you are not a bad person Freedom, but you are treading on proselytizing in that last post.
Your a smart person, you can see who brought up religion and the bible... it was not I.
Just responding in kind, not here to proselytize...never have been, its not my thing.
Whether you understand it or not, i care for people that have the challenge of being Gay, i am not prejudice against them... the facts are facts regarding their health, mental and physical, i don't make them up.
Your right I don't understand.
You also said this.
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So no matter what one thinks, the choice to be gay is self destructive and should be illegal in order to protect those that have a weakness in that area....
That's an odd way of caring, and we obviously don't speak the same language, so I'll agree to disagree.
brianrees brought this topic up in the atheist forum, not R&P, which suggests that he was not looking for bible input. If I bring up a topic in the Atheist forum I am usually curious what other agnostics and atheists think. If I want to debate or follow another person's debate, I will go to R&P. I am sure you are not a bad person Freedom, but you are treading on proselytizing in that last post.
Hi, have I got this right. If a topic is started on the A & A forum, 'believers' are not encouraged to comment? I ask in sincerity and am not being flippant.
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