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As I've said before, I just don't see MARTA in Cobb County for at least another decade or two. Gwinnett would come online first, but apparently they have some anti-transit leaders of their own.
Now since Cumberland borders the CoA, then with the right moves, perhaps MARTA could expand to there only. At the very least, that would give a "commuter HRT" route from Cobb into Midtown/Downtown, plus potential access to SunTrust Park.
In a hypothetical local straw vote of Smyrna/Vinings residents, rail to Cumberland would get overwhelming approval.
That same vote in Kennesaw/East Cobb on rail to KSU would get overwhelming rejection.
As much as the annoying CD poster likes to crow about Cobb being anti-Atlanta, Kennesaw and East Cobb are pretty much anti-Cumberland .... and have very different views on transit.
All that said, there is a measurable ground swell of support for MARTA to the Braves stadium among Cumberland area residents, businesses, and most certainly the Cobb Chamber.
OTOH, Rich Golick, Hunter Hill, and Bob Ott are strongly opposed and they matter.
What kill me about this is debate and I been saying this before the 2012 that Business Community itself not just the " liberals / progressives" is for transit.
The 20 county metro area alone is project to be over 8 million by 2040. Leaders are not just looking at fixing current issues but preventing future ones. "CID" Community Improvement Districts...........Are Districts organize by business leaders, who taxes themselves to improve their communities. The studies and trasits plan were funded by largely CID's. If you noticed The transit plans are planned to connecting the CID. There are more CID but these CID's have plan of urbanizing.
Cumberland Community Improvement District,
Town Center Area Community Improvement District
Gwinnett Place Community Improvement District,
Gwinnett Village Community Improvement District
North Fulton Community Improvement District
Perimeter Community Improvement District
Buckhead Community Improvement District
Midtown alliance (Midtown Community Improvement District)
central atlanta progress (Downtown Community Improvement District)
Airport East CID/Airport West CID (hartsfield jackson's Community Improvement District)
Atlanta obliviously can't and isn't going to take all of the metro growth. But just cause all the growth in the metro area won't to be completely in Atlanta core doesn't mean all growth will be sprawl. So the ARC is looking areas town centers like Decatur, Corridors like Cliffton, Buford Hwy, Cobb Parkway, Build more urban edge cities and urbanize the current Cumberland and Perimeter more. And Connect these centers. The locations where transit is plan is not random it's comprehensive with a bunch of other plans in these counties.
The Braves moving to Cumberland was not part of Cumberland original plans by default follows Cumberland original plans. Cause the goal is to grow and urbanize. And they want to connect to Atlanta,
But let me say this cause the crime and transit thing pop up. Being scare that transit will bring Crime is very illogical that saying Criminals don't have cars.......... Criminals don't have to wait on transit to come to your house........ that paranoia. Also news flesh it would be a lot harder carrying stolen goods TV's and etc using public transportation vs. using a car which criminals already could.
But imagine someone breaking a entry, steal then head to the bus stop then patiently wait..........
Then ride the bus with a bunch of stolen goods wearing black lmao, now wait at the transit stations I mean they can't change clothes you have stolen goods that they're hand carrying, now ride transit. with a bunch of stolen goods wearing black, then I guess walk the few blocks home.........
Again paranoia on over load that people convince something make sense but doesn't. It's purely illogical. First off Criminal have cars, What paradoxical world that must someone live in to think criminals don't have cars and can't already travel to the suburbs? it's paranoia you might as well be scare of being human. 2nd Public transportation is very inefficient for criminal to use you have be dumbiest of the dumb to be a criminal and use public transportation.
What kill me about this is debate and I been saying this before the 2012 that Business Community itself not just the " liberals / progressives" is for transit.
The 20 county metro area alone is project to be over 8 million by 2040. Leaders are not just looking at fixing current issues but preventing future ones. "CID" Community Improvement Districts...........Are Districts organize by business leaders, who taxes themselves to improve their communities. The studies and trasits plan were funded by largely CID's. If you noticed The transit plans are planned to connecting the CID. There are more CID but these CID's have plan of urbanizing.
Cumberland Community Improvement District,
Town Center Area Community Improvement District
Gwinnett Place Community Improvement District,
Gwinnett Village Community Improvement District
North Fulton Community Improvement District
Perimeter Community Improvement District
Buckhead Community Improvement District
Midtown alliance (Midtown Community Improvement District)
central atlanta progress (Downtown Community Improvement District)
Airport East CID/Airport West CID (hartsfield jackson's Community Improvement District)
Atlanta obliviously can't and isn't going to take all of the metro growth. But just cause all the growth in the metro area won't to be completely in Atlanta core doesn't mean all growth will be sprawl. So the ARC is looking areas town centers like Decatur, Corridors like Cliffton, Buford Hwy, Cobb Parkway, Build more urban edge cities and urbanize the current Cumberland and Perimeter more. And Connect these centers. The locations where transit is plan is not random it's comprehensive with a bunch of other plans in these counties.
The Braves moving to Cumberland was not part of Cumberland original plans by default follows Cumberland original plans. Cause the goal is to grow and urbanize. And they want to connect to Atlanta,
But let me say this cause the crime and transit thing pop up. Being scare that transit will bring Crime is very illogical that saying Criminals don't have cars.......... Criminals don't have to wait on transit to come to your house........ that paranoia. Also news flesh it would be a lot harder carrying stolen goods TV's and etc using public transportation vs. using a car which criminals already could.
But imagine someone breaking a entry, steal then head to the bus stop then patiently wait..........
Then ride the bus with a bunch of stolen goods wearing black lmao, now wait at the transit stations I mean they can't change clothes you have stolen goods that they're hand carrying, now ride transit. with a bunch of stolen goods wearing black, then I guess walk the few blocks home.........
Again paranoia on over load that people convince something make sense but doesn't. It's purely illogical. First off Criminal have cars, What paradoxical world that must someone live in to think criminals don't have cars and can't already travel to the suburbs? it's paranoia you might as well be scare of being human. 2nd Public transportation is very inefficient for criminal to use you have be dumbiest of the dumb to be a criminal and use public transportation.
Criminals are most likely to commit crimes in neighborhoods that they live in. If poor people don't live in your neighborhood then your chances of being a victim go down drastically. Compare violent crime rates in downtown, east point, college park, west end, and buckhead, brookhaven, and decatur. All are car accessible and yet the differences in violent crime are drastic. Mass transit access makes an area more likely to have poor people in it. Avoid mass transit, decrease the attractiveness of your community to lower class residents. Pretty simple.
It would have been illegal under the MARTA Act of 1965 (as amended in 2006, 2010, 2014, and 2015) for Clayton to get MARTA rail service at 0.5%, the sales tax level that the commission was first proposing. Some county commissioners hinted at pursuing the same high-capacity promise on a 0.5% sales tax, which would not have been possible:
That is, unless Clayton residents just wanted the buses, but I think there is an expectation of rail service.
Now, as to the whole "we won't join MARTA because our money will only go to subsidize the rest of the system", which is the criticism you brought up, again, MARTA has ways to ensure that such a thing doesn't happen. Returning to the Clayton saga from last year:
It would be possible for Cobb and MARTA to conclude a contract on the county's membership in MARTA, with some kind of caveat that states that "75% of sales tax funds collected in Cobb County will be put in a separate account for Cobb-only rail service", similar to the Clayton deal. Of course, Cobb and MARTA have to get to the negotiations table first.
- skbl17
The MARTA board is taking [an] extraordinary step to reassure Clayton that its full penny, if approved, won’t go toward expanding transit services in other counties as some commissioners have feared. Included in MARTA’s contract offer is language that ensures unspent sales tax money collected in Clayton is kept in a separate escrow account, to be used only for the purposes of expanding “high-capacity passenger service” (ie: commuter or heavy rail) in Clayton.
You only bolded the second half of the sentence. I would like to know what they mean by "unspent sales tax money".
And honestly I don't care anyways, I don't want to be part of Marta regardless.
I felt it was pretty obvious. They don't givr any way or condition to be satisfied with MARTA. They simply refuse it.
Yea those crazy people who don't want to pay for something they won't use and think will have a negative impact on their life.
I used to live on Apple Valley Rd right next to the Brookhaven Marta and the only impact it had on me was random homeless bums walking down my street that came from the Marta station. And the 1% sales tax I paid to never use it.
Criminals are most likely to commit crimes in neighborhoods that they live in. If poor people don't live in your neighborhood then your chances of being a victim go down drastically. Compare violent crime rates in downtown, east point, college park, west end, and buckhead, brookhaven, and decatur. All are car accessible and yet the differences in violent crime are drastic. Mass transit access makes an area more likely to have poor people in it. Avoid mass transit, decrease the attractiveness of your community to lower class residents. Pretty simple.
A whole bunch of unrelated stuff you connected the dots with which goes back with what I saying.
Poor ≠ Crime
Poor ≠ No Car
Criminal differently ≠ no car
Transit ≠ Poor
1. Poor people can have Cars You understand significant amount people in those neighborhoods have cars no different than suburban counties right?..........
2. You built this mindset that transit is keeping them from you........ when it's erroneous. People already have cars to do everything what transit do, go beyond. The "poor" already have the cars to drive to live in your neighborhood, Transit is not what preventing them or enabling them to do that.
3. The People who are riding transit aren't likely the criminals. Cause "public" transportation is a very stupid thing for a criminal to take.
4. Many cities across the US nevertheless the world have lower crime rates and a more extensive transit network. it's unrelated.
5. Many lower income areas in Metro Atlanta never minded cross the country has a lack of transit but are lower income, again unrelated.
A whole bunch of unrelated stuff you connected the dots with which goes back with what I saying.
Poor ≠ Crime
Poor ≠ No Car
Criminal differently ≠ no car
Transit ≠ Poor
1. Poor people can have Cars You understand significant amount people in those neighborhoods have cars no different than suburban counties right?..........
2. You built this mindset that transit is keeping them from you........ when it's erroneous. People already have cars to do everything what transit do, go beyond. The "poor" already have the cars to drive to live in your neighborhood, Transit is not what preventing them or enabling them to do that.
3. The People who are riding transit aren't likely the criminals. Cause "public" transportation is a very stupid thing for a criminal to take.
4. Many cities across the US nevertheless the world have lower crime rates and a more extensive transit network. it's unrelated.
5. Many lower income areas in Metro Atlanta never minded cross the country has a lack of transit but are lower income, again unrelated.
Poor areas do = crime. What other excuse do you have for the crime rates in College Park? Just random?
And Clayton County, which is relatively poor, wants to join Marta and rich Cobb doesn't want to join. Also just coincidence?
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