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That's nonsense.The emails reveal nothing within several orders of magnitude as offensive as Trump's arguably treasonous idiocy.
WHY is it nonsense?
It's nonsense because the emails reveal nothing within several orders of magnitude as offensive as Trump's arguably treasonous idiocy.
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Originally Posted by LovinDecatur
Do you really want to talk treason? I think a pretty good case can be made with regard to Madam Secretary.
No you don't. Even with as little interaction as we have had I can tell that you're far too intelligent to believe anything of the sort. You really should stop hiding your intelligence by parroting the corrupt narrative that supports your candidate. Everyone makes mistakes, like Secretary Clinton made with her email server. It takes someone like Donald Trump to presume so much of himself as to engage in bordering-on-treasonous rhetoric, rhetoric that has such a propensity to incite violence, rhetoric that is so morally depraved, etc., trying to hide the reprehensible nature of what he says behind bombast. Many leaders of his own party find him so despicable that they didn't even deign to attend the RNC. This isn't even political; it's far more basic than that.
Note how quickly LD went from vacuously accusing treason to cravenly acknowledging that the offense he was complaining about was not even grievous enough to be culpable negligence.
So what you guys are saying is that it's ok to not hold our government officials accountable? If you're not gonna hold DNC accountable I don't see why you're so scared of Trump. Seems to me like you won't even care what he does in office. He's a maniac, but he didn't rig an election.
So what you guys are saying is that it's ok to not hold our government officials accountable? If you're not gonna hold DNC accountable I don't see why you're so scared of Trump. Seems to me like you won't even care what he does in office. He's a maniac, but he didn't rig an election.
No, that's not what has been said here, & by the way, the e-mails that have generated controversy did not "rig an election".. as in terms of the Democratic Primaries.
The e-mails did however reveal that there was a favorable set of viewpoints expressed toward a specific candidate. But it was only ideas & opinions or suggestions that were revealed (and often not even responded to) but nothing was actually done to implement the suggestions. The e-mails stop short of showing any actionable offenses were implemented much less carried out against Sanders.
By the way, is it so odd that in the DNC private e-mails there would be a measure of support or preference for one candidate over another? Especially when one candidate had been actively involved in the party for over 40 years.
Remember, Sanders did not represent Vermont purely as a Democratic Senator. He carried the label "Socialist" although he did caucus with them. In view of that fact, is it so hard to understand how the party hierarchy could view him as a Johhnny-come-lately style interloper?
No, that's not what has been said here, & by the way, the e-mails that have generated controversy did not "rig an election".. as in terms of the Democratic Primaries.
The e-mails did however reveal that there was a favorable set of viewpoints expressed toward a specific candidate. But it was only ideas & opinions or suggestions that were revealed (and often not even responded to) but nothing was actually done to implement the suggestions. The e-mails stop short of showing any actionable offenses were implemented much less carried out against Sanders.
By the way, is it so odd that in the DNC private e-mails there would be a measure of support or preference for one candidate over another? Especially when one candidate had been actively involved in the party for over 40 years.
Remember, Sanders did not represent Vermont purely as a Democratic Senator. He carried the label "Socialist" although he did caucus with them. In view of that fact, is it so hard to understand how the party hierarchy could view him as a Johhnny-come-lately style interloper?
The DNC violated their own rules to be neutral. Don't also think that they didn't just draft ideas without implementing them. Explain the purged voters in Brooklyn and New York, explain the false media conspiracy at the Nevada primary, explain the purged voters in California and the lack of exit polling. These are actual concerns from the Sanders supporters and you can't continue to ignore them then ask for party unity. Hillary needs to own up to the DNC's mistakes this election and vow to fix them if she wants to win against Trump. Another thing she could do is vow to not take any donor money, especially after this leaked yesterday. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...L_lOHkcvZlNJBA
And if you reply, please be VERY SPECIFIC in citing as to where FBI Director James Comey came anywhere close to saying it was the equivalent of or similar to treasonous behavior in regard to "carelessness" or anything else Secretary Clinton did or did not do.
I'd be careful in throwing around "treason" here, especially without any substantiation provided here yet.
He named them COUNT BY COUNT, for God's sake. Stop being an apologist. I don't need to watch it twice.
And where are your examples of treasonous behavior on Trump's part?
Yes, somehow the dastardly Clinton campaign figured out exactly who in Brooklyn and California was going to vote for Bernie, then had as many of them removed from the lists of registered voters as they could.
Yes, somehow the dastardly Clinton campaign figured out exactly who in Brooklyn and California was going to vote for Bernie, then had as many of them removed from the lists of registered voters as they could.
That's what you're saying.
There was negligence in how the primary was run in these states with many votes taken off the rolls for no reason before the primary. Some people's parties were changed and many provisional ballots were given out. Exit polls weren't even used in California. These are real things that happened, and you can ask any volunteer who worked in the California polling places. Stop acting like this isn't real, this is the reason you're seeing unrest in the Democratic Party. Just admit that something went wrong and stop acting like this is how a democracy is supposed to work.
He named them COUNT BY COUNT, for God's sake. Stop being an apologist. I don't need to watch it twice.
And where are your examples of treasonous behavior on Trump's part?
When I seek to see the TRUTH put out on media sites like this, I am not "being an apologist."
And NO. Comey DID NOT lay out any "treasonable offenses" as having been committed by Clinton. If you are truly saying that he did, you are very clearly wishing/projecting that he said it or are badly misinformed.
He very carefully explained as to why what she did did not come up to the standard that has been used for prosecution for decades. He very carefully elucidated why it did not.
He actually said, "...no other prosecutor.." or some such words, would have gone after her for her e-mail carelessness as a prosecution-worthy offense that warranted an indictment.
He said, if the carelessness had occurred within his own FBI there would have been grounds for some sort of discipline but that's not the situation that Secretary Clinton was in. She was not an FBI employee.
Comey laid out his case for non-prosecution both in his press conference as well as in the "emergency" House hearing when he testified in front of the House committee.
Furthermore, in that hearing at the -58:00 minute point and under questioning from Democratic Representative Cartwright of Pennsylvania, Comey admitted that it all came down to there being only 3 e-mails of concern, contrary to what had been alleged.
Under additional questioning by Cartwright, Comey also admitted that the 3 e-mails did not have the appropriate headers at the top that the guidebook for classifying material says should have been at the top to indicate that they were indeed classified. For further clarification, Cartwright at that point held up a printed diagram of the classification heading directive & asked that the committee chairman allow it to be entered into the record, which it was.
There was instead, in the body of the 3 e-mails, just a small (c) notation next to 1 paragraph of text which in no way met the standard for indicating that it was classified material.
Comey said that it would be "reasonable" to assume that without the proper headings, that Secretary Clinton would not have known that the (c) signified that the material was classified.
Please go watch the press conference & the hearing vids before you say anymore about what he did or did not say. If you refuse to do so, then I will not discuss it with you further because you are factually incorrect & I find it aggravating when someone refuses to look where the facts are found, i.e. in this case, the readily available video of these 2 episodes.
As for the possibility of Trump having committed "treason" I would never have uttered that word until yesterday when I saw that William Imboden, who served on the NSC during the Bush Administration said that Trump's comments "..were tantamount to treason."
Imboden made that statement as a reaction to Trump's seemingly open-ended invitation for a foreign & hostile power to commit cyber espionage against an American candidate for president.
I can't post links to CD from behind my office fire wall so search online for "Willam Imboden and Trump treason " to find that comment. For emphasis I'll repeat that Mr. Imboden was a Bush Administration NSC official.
We'll see where the chips fall on the hacking story but did you notice that today on Fox and Friends, Trump backpedaled from his freewheeling comments of yesterday and claimed that he was kidding about inviting Russia to hack further or reveal stolen DNC materials.
Some joke..
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Reason: rephrased a sentence
The DNC violated their own rules to be neutral. Don't also think that they didn't just draft ideas without implementing them. Explain the purged voters in Brooklyn and New York, explain the false media conspiracy at the Nevada primary, explain the purged voters in California and the lack of exit polling. These are actual concerns from the Sanders supporters and you can't continue to ignore them then ask for party unity. Hillary needs to own up to the DNC's mistakes this election and vow to fix them if she wants to win against Trump. Another thing she could do is vow to not take any donor money, especially after this leaked yesterday. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...L_lOHkcvZlNJBA
Your link discusses "donor bias" in the released voice messages. Why are you surprised that there were donors who were in favor of Clinton over Sanders? I would also assume that there were donors who were conversely biased in favor of Sanders over Clinton. What's wrong with donors expressing their view point as to who they favor and why?
Donors have preferences. That's the way the system has always shaken out. As I wrote earlier, there were not that many such e-mails & sometimes they were seen to have been musings or requests that did not even get replies much less get acted upon.
What is cheating or criminal about donors, or you or I for that matter, having a preference for a specific candidate &/or expressing it to somebody in our local or higher up party hierarchy?
As I noted here earlier, it would not be surprising that there was large scale donor bias expressed in favor of Secretary Clinton given that she had been active in the Democratic Party for over 40 years & that Senator Sanders had only recently brought himself totally into the Democratic fold so as to run for their presidential nomination.
As to your allegations of cheating in the primaries & caucuses, we have already been down that path before here on another thread. At that time I specifically brought in a link from Snopes that debunked & explained what you cited as cheating in the California primary. It is not my intention to repost my prior links ad infinitum.
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