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So closed borders do not count? There are many people who get denied overseas travel because the government says so. Some were even denied entry to their own country. And who knows if you will be able to even travel between states freely again. Do not count on the vaccine to be the miraculous solution because it is not and many places even those with very high vaccination rates are still struggling. Lots of vaccinated people are still afraid of covid and life for them will not be back to normal for a few more years.
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So closed borders do not count? There are many people who get denied overseas travel because the government says so. Some were even denied entry to their own country. And who knows if you will be able to even travel between states freely again. Do not count on the vaccine to be the miraculous solution because it is not and many places even those with very high vaccination rates are still struggling. Lots of vaccinated people are still afraid of covid and life for them will not be back to normal for a few more years.
Yes even the Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who has been in Washington DC, says he will have to do a 14 day quarantine, when heading back to Australia. Stuff like that will kill the Australian tourist industry for years to come. The tourist industry is very important to the Australian economy, as the country manufactures very little.
That's what we were told, here in the U.S. Now, we've achieved that rate, but the only thing that happened was the goal posts got shifted.
Please don't believe your government when they say they're going to give back what they're taking. They won't. When has any government in history ever done that? Never. Why do you think that yours will be different?
The restrictions in some parts of Australia right now are more severe than what people had to endure in the Soviet Union during its peak. You can't even talk to people on the street. Wake up.
You were responding to this.
"Originally Posted by Paddy234 View Post
The restrictions will only last until 70-80% of the population is vaccinated."
Unfortunately you aren't at 70 to 80 percent.
"At least 212,861,380 people or 65% of the population have received at least one dose.
Overall, 182,958,696 people or 56% of the population have been fully vaccinated."
He seems to accept that it is a different culture here.
I personally am grateful, being in an older age bracket, that the community has been prepared to make considerable sacrifices to help keep us safe.
There are also many younger vulnerable people. And the thing is you do not know how it will affect you until you get it.
My 62 year old SIL has a major immune condition. She would prefer not to have to find out.
You will get it, that's what you don't seem to understand. Might not be today or tomorrow, but someday you will. It's a coronavirus and you've been getting coronaviruses your whole life and will continue to do so.
No lockdown or curfew or other stupid crap is going to stop that.
I think the hope was all this would buy time and there is evidence that as these types of viruses mutate that they will be less lethal, but the problem is totalitarian politicians are now exploiting this for all it's worth. That Dan Andrews is an insane maniac, along with the two wackos running NSW and QLD.
Many individual counties have achieved that rate. Seattle is probably higher than 80% (two doses) and yet still masks required. The issue is the vaccine does not stop transmission. Canada and UK are pretty good examples with their very high vaccination rates and yet some hospitals in your country are still overwhelmed and still many people dying daily in the UK. Almost everybody will get covid sooner or later (experts' words, not mine).
Many individual counties have achieved that rate. Seattle is probably higher than 80% (two doses) and yet still masks required. The issue is the vaccine does not stop transmission. Canada and UK are pretty good examples with their very high vaccination rates and yet some hospitals in your country are still overwhelmed and still many people dying daily in the UK. Almost everybody will get covid sooner or later (experts' words, not mine).
The US's low vaccination rate is a cause for concern.
The people in hospital in Canada are the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated for the most part, that is what the vaccine is suppose to do. Keep vaccinated people out of hospital. It does that to a high degree.
I haven't checked each hospital, but my guess is that hospitals that are having issues are going to be in parts of the province where vaccinations rates are lower than the 80 percent full vaccination rate we have in BC.
Anecdotal but here in Vancouver the other day a friend went to ER with pain. He needed gall bladder surgery. He got a bed no problem. Spent two days getting rid of the infection, had the laparoscopic surgery, and was out the next day.
Here are some stats for BC. Notice the hospitalizations in regards to vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated. The more people that get vaccinated the better.
From Sept. 16-22, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 75.0% of cases and from Sept. 9-22, they accounted for 81.9% of hospitalizations.
Lol. At a stretch I guess that week in Bali could take years off your life if you really give it a nudge. But no, it's beyond ridiculous to equate a closed border to throwing away years of your life. If you want to leave you can leave.
The US's low vaccination rate is a cause for concern.
The people in hospital in Canada are the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated for the most part, that is what the vaccine is suppose to do. Keep vaccinated people out of hospital. It does that to a high degree.
I haven't checked each hospital, but my guess is that hospitals that are having issues are going to be in parts of the province where vaccinations rates are lower than the 80 percent full vaccination rate we have in BC.
Anecdotal but here in Vancouver the other day a friend went to ER with pain. He needed gall bladder surgery. He got a bed no problem. Spent two days getting rid of the infection, had the laparoscopic surgery, and was out the next day.
Here are some stats for BC. Notice the hospitalizations in regards to vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated. The more people that get vaccinated the better.
From Sept. 16-22, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 75.0% of cases and from Sept. 9-22, they accounted for 81.9% of hospitalizations.
Plus our deaths per million is three times less than the US.
I'm afraid Americans deriding Australia, and Canada, as has been done in other threads, in regards to Covid and protocols, don't have any currency.
Sorry US, no one is looking at you and thinking....ya, we should have done it their way.
Well I didn't see Canadian or Australian companies create the vaccine, so I do believe America did something right. It was also the American Government that pushed, and funded those companies to come up with a great vaccine (Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson) in record time. So get off your Canadian High Horse, and thank America for The Best Vaccines. I just got my booster shot today (3rd Pfizer shot), so God Bless America!
The US's low vaccination rate is a cause for concern.
The people in hospital in Canada are the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated for the most part, that is what the vaccine is suppose to do. Keep vaccinated people out of hospital. It does that to a high degree.
I haven't checked each hospital, but my guess is that hospitals that are having issues are going to be in parts of the province where vaccinations rates are lower than the 80 percent full vaccination rate we have in BC.
Anecdotal but here in Vancouver the other day a friend went to ER with pain. He needed gall bladder surgery. He got a bed no problem. Spent two days getting rid of the infection, had the laparoscopic surgery, and was out the next day.
Here are some stats for BC. Notice the hospitalizations in regards to vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated. The more people that get vaccinated the better.
From Sept. 16-22, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 75.0% of cases and from Sept. 9-22, they accounted for 81.9% of hospitalizations.
Plus our deaths per million is three times less than the US.
I'm afraid Americans deriding Australia, and Canada, as has been done in other threads, in regards to Covid and protocols, don't have any currency.
Sorry US, no one is looking at you and thinking....ya, we should have done it their way.
Don't forget natural "immunity". According to recent studies, it could be even stronger than that with the vaccine.
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