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Old 10-31-2019, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Dog poop and cat poop, when blended together, do not magically create maple walnut ice cream.

FCA's claim to fame, is making "cheap" cars, albeit with some innovative features (Offroad capability in Jeep, monster HP in Dodge, Stow 'n' Go seating in minivans, etc.. They are NOT known for great reliability, fuel economy, and refinement, I doubt bringing Puegot into the mix will change that, I equate the French and Italian automakers to be very similar, which isn't "great". I was rooting for the Renault merger to get some low-cost electric cars into the U.S., but that didn't happen, unfortunately. How is Puegot doing on electrification?
Another automotive expert to bad Jeep and dodge are doing good, now that they are with Puegot people are boohooing them there not even over here yet we have no idea what they are going to sell. Hell it could be Opel vehicles.
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Old 10-31-2019, 04:49 PM
 
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Another automotive expert to bad Jeep and dodge are doing good, now that they are with Puegot people are boohooing them there not even over here yet we have no idea what they are going to sell. Hell it could be Opel vehicles.
That would be interesting. Chevy stops producing the Cruze, Peugeot brings over the Opel Astra. Chevy and Buick still produce the Malibu and Regal, both based upon the Opel Insignia. Peugeot could bring over their version of the Opel Insignia.
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Old 10-31-2019, 04:52 PM
 
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Hope they resurrect the 2CV !
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Old 10-31-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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Another automotive expert to bad Jeep and dodge are doing good, now that they are with Puegot people are boohooing them there not even over here yet we have no idea what they are going to sell. Hell it could be Opel vehicles.

Jeep and Ram sales are doing very well in 2019, but Chrysler and Dodge are down, and Fiat / Alfa are in the crapper. I'm not decrying the U.S. arm of FCA as I am the Fiat/Alfa arm, as they are going to end up leaving the U.S. with their tail between their legs (again). Puegot is not going to help this.
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Old 10-31-2019, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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How is Puegot doing on electrification?
At this point, better than FCA, but that isn't saying much. FCA is just about in last place when it comes to electrification.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:43 PM
 
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The question is, can these legacy companies really compete with a hungry and aggressive new generation of car makers from Asia?

The Chinese have dozens of car companies, not just a few huge conglomerates as we have in the West and even in Japan. It's only a matter of time before they flood our market with sub-$10K electric buggies. And once they absorb GM, which already is 40% Chinese, they'll have replaced us as the automotive giants of the world.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Originally Posted by Curly Q. Bobalink View Post
Dog poop and cat poop, when blended together, do not magically create maple walnut ice cream.

FCA's claim to fame, is making "cheap" cars, albeit with some innovative features (Offroad capability in Jeep, monster HP in Dodge, Stow 'n' Go seating in minivans, etc.. They are NOT known for great reliability, fuel economy, and refinement, I doubt bringing Puegot into the mix will change that, I equate the French and Italian automakers to be very similar, which isn't "great". I was rooting for the Renault merger to get some low-cost electric cars into the U.S., but that didn't happen, unfortunately. How is Puegot doing on electrification?
PLEASE... do not credit Fiat with the Jeep or any muscle car that Chrysler is building. Fiat couldn't build figure out how the Demon is put together if you gave them a year.
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Old 11-01-2019, 05:50 AM
 
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That would be interesting. Chevy stops producing the Cruze, Peugeot brings over the Opel Astra. Chevy and Buick still produce the Malibu and Regal, both based upon the Opel Insignia. Peugeot could bring over their version of the Opel Insignia.
Actually, PSA cannot bring any of those existing models to any market where GM is still selling the architecture. GM did not sell the platforms used for GM models to PSA. PSA has a license to use the platform until they develop new Opels, Vauxhalls, and Holdens with their own platform. I believe the 2022 year would be the soonest.
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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The question is, can these legacy companies really compete with a hungry and aggressive new generation of car makers from Asia?

The Chinese have dozens of car companies, not just a few huge conglomerates as we have in the West and even in Japan. It's only a matter of time before they flood our market with sub-$10K electric buggies. And once they absorb GM, which already is 40% Chinese, they'll have replaced us as the automotive giants of the world.
China owns no part of GM just because GM has plants over there doesn’t mean the Chinese government owns them. GM is a American automotive company. So Chrysler is also a Chinese company because they have a plant over there.
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Actually, PSA cannot bring any of those existing models to any market where GM is still selling the architecture. GM did not sell the platforms used for GM models to PSA. PSA has a license to use the platform until they develop new Opels, Vauxhalls, and Holdens with their own platform. I believe the 2022 year would be the soonest.
It will take them at least that long to set up shop over here. These companies know what they can and cannot do over here they are major automotive company, now that they are the 4th largest automaker in the world i would not be surprised that they won’t expand in the USA and start building vehicles here at FCA assembly plants for the USA market and South America markets. FCA has the extra capacity at their plants to do so. And that’s a win win and more UAW jobs.
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