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What you mean is you don't see it as 99% of the rest of the basketball knowing/loving world. You will be hard pressed to find ANY list outside of Dallas that has Duncan anywhere lower than where he is in this ESPN list, and a lot of them have him higher than this list.
Seems your hateraide has you blind bro.
Not at all, he's ok. I like this list a bit better with Duncan at #10. Only thing on this one is Id flip Shaq and Olajuwon.
Putting Curry in top 10 discussion. I like it! That should spark some comments.
It shouldn't. He needs another 3 or 4 years of his continued crazy shooting display and a title or two to be in the discussion.
Lebron isn't three. I'm a Cavs fan and I'm saying it. Its not because he joined Wade and Bosh to win his titles. We could say the same for others on this list. But it will be hard to deny Lebron a top 5 spot if he wins a title or two in Cleveland. Add to the fact he will pass and climb the record books in MANY categories to close out this decade. He's a "numbers machine" just about more than anyone on this list. At 34 he could be the ONLY player in NBA history Top 10 in Points AND Assists.
We just gotta take the best 2 or 3 from every decade to make a fair top 10 list .
60/70s..... Wilt & Russell
80s ,Magic,Kareem,Bird
90s,Jordan,Hakeem
2000s,Shaq,Kobe,Duncan
That's 10 right there with no bias.
So for LeBron to be 3 on Espn all time was them trying to start a great debate,The man has only 2 rings,Lost 4 finals,Possibly 5 this year,May never win another ring and only won a couple rings because he joined other hall of famers in their prime SMH !!!!
If anybody has the 2010s it's Curry if he wins 2 more rings so i think Hakeem is the only one in the top 10 not safe.
I think Kobe and Shaq helped each other to titles. I take that back THEY DID.
It shouldn't. He needs another 3 or 4 years of his continued crazy shooting display and a title or two to be in the discussion.
Lebron isn't three. I'm a Cavs fan and I'm saying it. Its not because he joined Wade and Bosh to win his titles. We could say the same for others on this list. But it will be hard to deny Lebron a top 5 spot if he wins a title or two in Cleveland. Add to the fact he will pass and climb the record books in MANY categories to close out this decade. He's a "numbers machine" just about more than anyone on this list. At 34 he could be the ONLY player in NBA history Top 10 in Points AND Assists.
It sparked your comment, so my comment can't be too off base.
We can asterisk championships by pointing out talent around the player etc. but you don't get on all-nba teams by accident.
Otherwise we have to point out that Kobe never won a championship without being alongside a HOF center in their prime.
And just for the record.
Win Shares
Duncan - 204.8
Bird - 145.8
Win Shares Per 48
Duncan - .210
Bird - .203
Peak Win Shares Per 48
Duncan - .257 (01-02)
Bird - .244 (85-86)
Peak Offensive Win Shares
Duncan - 10.7 (01-02)
Bird - 10.5 (84-85)
Peak Value Over Replacement
Bird - 8.7 (85-86)
Duncan - 8.1 (01-02)
Player Efficiency Rating
Duncan - 24.3
Bird - 23.5
Duncan beats out Bird by most advanced metrics despite having had many more seasons to deteriorate. The "rings" argument can't apply here because Duncan has 5 to Larry's 3. Bird does have more MVPs but I don't think that really matters. Duncan's peak was just as good if not better and his career has spanned three decades.
Duncan beats out Bird by most advanced metrics despite having had many more seasons to deteriorate. The "rings" argument can't apply here because Duncan has 5 to Larry's 3. Bird does have more MVPs but I don't think that really matters. Duncan's peak was just as good if not better and his career has spanned three decades.
I knew my thoughts on Bird had some merit. From almost the start of this thread, I was pushing to have Bird moved down or off the list.
I knew my thoughts on Bird had some merit. From almost the start of this thread, I was pushing to have Bird moved down or off the list.
Compare Duncan to Magic and several others and you'll see similar results.
Duncan really does have *it all* just like Kobe, Jordan, Kareem....
They have career totals.
Obscene numbers of all-nba selections
Finals mvps\rings
MVPs
Pooh poohing that Duncan had a "great system" when freakin' 4 of the guys on the list played WITH each other kareem\magic and Shaq\Kobe just points out what a lame excuse that is.
Just on longevity and career totals I would move Duncan AND Kobe in front of Shaq & Olajuwon & Bird....probably Magic too because they ALL have tons of all-nba selections, MVP's, Rings etc. so what's the tie-breaker? Well doing it longer is in my book.
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