The Golden State’s War on Itself (credit rating, unemployment)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Guineas

That's the stupidest attempt to make a point I've ever seen.

Why the bloody hell do you feel the need to so damn hostile?

Those metro areas in CA have insane (like double, triple) housing prices compared to say Midland TX, Denver CO, or Minneapolis MN.

I thought conservatives believed in the free market?

Are you saying that we should regulate home prices?

Didnt think so.

Location, Location, Location. Some places are vastly more desirable than others.

That's life.

Live there and work your @ss off to afford it, otherwise, move somewhere cheaper.

Are the median incomes double or triple? Hell no.

And yet 4 California Metros are among the places where people save the most money.

In fact, most of the cities with the residents that save the most would be considered expensive places to live.

Nest Egg Index-Cities with the most savings
In the third annual Nest Egg Index, we ranked the 500 top-performing communities based on their residents' personal savings and investing behavior. By measuring a dozen statistical factors - including participation in retirement savings plans, personal debt levels and home ownership - the Nest Egg Index shows the geographic regions where people are succeeding and facing difficulty with their nest eggs. In this year's results, communities that ranked highly in the Nest Egg Index continue to benefit from strong local housing markets and show a high propensity toward saving and investing in retirement vehicles such as 401(k) or pension plans. And while these communities had higher costs of living than the national average, nineteen out of the top 20 also had lower debt levels.

1 Los Alamos, NM
2 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA
3 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT
4 Torrington, CT
5 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA
6 Barnstable Town, MA
7 Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington, MN
8 Holland-Grand Haven, MI
9 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA
10 Edwards, CO
11 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-MD-VA
12 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA
13 Gardnerville-Ranchos, NV
14 Rochester, MN
15 Red Wing, MN
16 Appleton, WI
17 Faribault-Northfield, MN
18 Trenton-Ewing, NJ
19 Naples-Marco Island, FL
20 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT
21 Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA
22 Norwich-New London, CT
23 Lexington Park, MD
24 Boulder, CO
25 Juneau, AK

Nest Egg Index - Your Financial Nest Egg: A.G. Edwards

Very few dirt cheap states are represented in this list. Isnt that ironic?
LMAO.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Other California MSAs
198 Redding, CA (MSA) 34,527
260 Chico, CA (MSA) 32,349
282 Stockton, CA (MSA) 31,547
286 Modesto, CA (MSA) 31,485
297 Fresno, CA (MSA) 30,997
307 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA (MSA) 30,634
325 12540 Bakersfield-Delano, CA (MSA) 30,047
354 El Centro, CA (MSA) 27,666
357 Hanford-Corcoran, CA (MSA) 26,734
358 Madera-Chowchilla, CA (MSA) 26,524

Jeez what an embarrassment to the state.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

The cost of living in California really is not that different from most desirable places. I can tell you that Nevada is on a par with California, but you don't get fresh fruit and vegetables, and the fish smell like fish.

Here, try this, instead of whining about how awful California is, vote with your feet, find that better place and move to it, life is to short to spend whining.
Or, go outside, get in your carcachita and head for the hills, or the beach, go for a hike, rent a boat, climb a mountain, make living a verb not a noun.

"free handout from the government?
Like the Conservative Republican farmers in the Central Valley using state subsidized water?
Or the Conservative Republican Ranchers grazing on public land and paying AUM's a quarter of what they would pay on private land?
Or the Conservative Republican loggers cutting low cost timber on Public land?
Or the Conservative Republican miners extracting minerals from public land and paying no taxes or royalty on those minerals?
Or the Conservative Republican oilmen extracting oil from our public land and paying no royalty?
Welfare Ranchers, loggers, miners, oilmen, getting what amounts to free handouts subsidized by the rest of us TaxPayers.

I like the Conservative Republican farmers who are happy to complain about all that big government, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, the legislature in Sacramento, the onerous regulations foisted on them by "them Liberals", the whole conservative Republican litany of grievances, but they fall strangely silent on the subject of illegals. Knowing that their income, and a substantial portion of the GDP of the State of California is due to the hard work of the illegal farm worker.

I think we call that, hypocrisy.

I'm so glad you addressed this. Every one of these threads is the same sorry attempt to bash liberals and Ca.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Why the bloody hell do you feel the need to so damn hostile?




I thought conservatives believed in the free market?

Are you saying that we should regulate home prices?

Didnt think so.

Location, Location, Location. Some places are vastly more desirable than others.

That's life.

Live there and work your @ss off to afford it, otherwise, move somewhere cheaper.


And yet 4 California Metros are among the places where people save the most money.

In fact, most of the cities with the residents that save the most would be considered expensive places to live.




Very few dirt cheap states are represented in this list. Isnt that ironic?
LMAO.

LOL nice

[jazznblues]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Why the bloody hell do you feel the need to so damn hostile?




I thought conservatives believed in the free market?

Are you saying that we should regulate home prices?

Didnt think so.

Location, Location, Location. Some places are vastly more desirable than others.

That's life.

Live there and work your @ss off to afford it, otherwise, move somewhere cheaper.


And yet 4 California Metros are among the places where people save the most money.

In fact, most of the cities with the residents that save the most would be considered expensive places to live.




Very few dirt cheap states are represented in this list. Isnt that ironic?
LMAO.

Your "Nest Egg Index" is a 2007 ranking. There is none newer - perhaps because A.G. Edwards is no longer doing it. But that index includes home ownership. I bet the rankings would be different now all over the US with significantly lower housing values. If home prices in CA are 30-40% lower today than they were in 2006 (when much of the raw data was collected for any 2007 rankings) it seems likely many CA cities on that list would drop significantly.

What would unemployment do to those rankings?

[californio sur]

Republicans always want to make California into another Texas where big corporations rape the environment and little if any safeguards are provided to the average person. One huge reason that California is more expensive is that it is a "jewel" that can not be polluted into an ugly Texas. Smog is a major concern in California and it doesn't matter how much we need jobs if they are in industries that pollute the air and water. Uncontrolled population growth is discouraged as much as possible and in many counties there are strict regulations on new development for the very reason that there is not enough water. Now Texas power companies are spending big $ on Proposition 23 that would stop or slow down signed legislative law setting higher standards on clean energy.

California is not Texas and thank God, never will be!

STOP the Texas Oil Companies' Dirty Energy Proposition

[jaynetarzana]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

"free handout from the government?
Like the Conservative Republican farmers in the Central Valley using state subsidized water?
Or the Conservative Republican Ranchers grazing on public land and paying AUM's a quarter of what they would pay on private land?
Or the Conservative Republican loggers cutting low cost timber on Public land?
Or the Conservative Republican miners extracting minerals from public land and paying no taxes or royalty on those minerals?
Or the Conservative Republican oilmen extracting oil from our public land and paying no royalty?
Welfare Ranchers, loggers, miners, oilmen, getting what amounts to free handouts subsidized by the rest of us TaxPayers.

I like the Conservative Republican farmers who are happy to complain about all that big government, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, the legislature in Sacramento, the onerous regulations foisted on them by "them Liberals", the whole conservative Republican litany of grievances, but they fall strangely silent on the subject of illegals. Knowing that their income, and a substantial portion of the GDP of the State of California is due to the hard work of the illegal farm worker.

I think we call that, hypocrisy.

Very good points.

[ExNooYawk]

Originally Posted by ryanst530

What's even sadder to me is the fact that liberals refuse to admit their own policies and tactics are to blame.

Hmmmm.... How to say this politely.... Bull$h!t.
Ever heard of a little thing called Proposition 13? It was California's death knell.
Howard Jarvis, that great republican, got the ball rolling and it's been gathering speed as it rolled downhill ever since.

[ExNooYawk]

Originally Posted by Bigfoot Tracks

You are right, but I bet they get voted in again in November.
The reason the libs will get voted back in is this. The hard working class of people are out numbered by people that either work for the Government or get some free handout from the Government and they do not want things to be different.

Did you forget about having a republican governor since October of 2003?

[jaynetarzana]

You have to hand it to Republicans though, they are the best spin doctors in the politics! All we hear about these days is how the darn Liberals have ruined everything! They definitely know how to divert attention from their epic failures, which are too many to list.