CA Ranks 40th For Doing Business (Stockton, San Bernardino: bankrupt, high school, subdivisions)

[mountainrose]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

California business is doing fine enough to have created and continued managing the finest, economy in the nation, and 8th finest in the world. Stop "conflating".

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Three CA cities have already declared bankruptcy, and another one (San Bernardino) declared today. Many Californians have created a whole new dimension to the concept of DENiAL......

Nullgeo---any Elvis sightings lately?

[BlackShoe]

Originally Posted by Bulldogdad

Actually I think that's an improvement. We were near the bottom for the last few years.

At first had the same thought, things must be getting better. In almost every other poll and survey we land in the bottom five. But then after following the links saw that in 2011 we were #32, so things are not getting better, but worse, if you believe CNBC.

[Think4Yourself]

BTW I still can't stop laughing at the claim (made in that opinion piece in the OP) that Texas supposedly has the best infrastructure in the country. Thanks, but I've been to Texas and the infrastructure they do have sucks and worse there is never enough of it. Poor design from top to bottom so everything becomes a giant traffic snarl.

[RUOK?]

People often cite Texas as an example.

Well its great if...
a)You want to have the highest percentage of min. wage jobs in the nation
b) Lowest hourly salary in the nation.
c) Highest percentage of jobs that pay below the min. wage.
d) A higher percentage of temp. jobs than the nation.

Texas also leads the way in having the highest rate of uninsured people.

CA needs to focus on its efforts in salvaging the UC and CSU in order to remain competitive in the future. Education brought prosperity to CA once, and it can do it again.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

You seem to struggle with, or worse, are aware of but purposely divert attention from, quantitative notions. So here are two quantitative notions relevant to this thread. Firstly, per capita disposable income and secondly income inequality. CA is not good in these two areas.

Hey Billy ... United States of America isn't good in those two areas ... wanna leave? Or is it still the best or among the very best places in the world to live your life?

[Think4Yourself]

Originally Posted by mountainrose

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Three CA cities have already declared bankruptcy, and another one (San Bernardino) declared today. Many Californians have created a whole new dimension to the concept of DENiAL......

Nullgeo---any Elvis sightings lately?

I doubt educating you will work as you seem stuck on partisan talking points (and stupid ones at that) but on the off chance that you do occassionally think for yourself I will attempt to educate you. First of all three not four cities declared (or will be declaring) bankruptcy in the last 4-5 years. They are Stockton, San Bernardino, and Mammoth Lakes. Mammoth Lakes is a tourist resort on the east side of the Sierra Nevada extremely dependent on tourist revenue for upwards of 90% of their economy; when the recession hit it's not surprising fewer people took expensive vacations so that tiny town's troubles are well understood.

San Bernardino and Stockton are both EXTREMELY conservative red areas of the state. Both of them have traditionally been to far out from the main employment areas to be considered worth living in but during the bubble, as realestate in the desirable coastal areas soared out of the reach of the lower middle class people suddenly these right wing pits became the only affordable options for them. They borrowed more than they could really afford and thought they'd drive the 2-3 hours each way to work in the cities. Worse, to get developers to agree to build sprawling new subdivisions the cities give the developers huge checks, agreed to pay to build all the roads & utility lines at taxpayer expense, and often did major redevelopments of downtown areas in an attempt to make the place look less like the trash heaps completely lacking in civic pride that they are. Yeah, not surprising that went belly up.

If you know one tiny bit about California then you'd already know this, Mountainrose, but it's obvious that you don't. That means you're just another big mouthed Texan flapping their gums about things they know nothing about. I'm sorry to say it but ignorance while prattling on and pontificating about things they know nothing about seems to be very common in Texas.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by mountainrose

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Three CA cities have already declared bankruptcy, and another one (San Bernardino) declared today. Many Californians have created a whole new dimension to the concept of DENiAL......

Nullgeo---any Elvis sightings lately?

Interestingly you are unaware that there have been over 640 municipal bankruptcies declared since the Chapter 9 act went into effect in 1937. Given that California is the most populous state in the union, that a half dozen or ten or even more of those bankruptcies occurred in California doesn't surprise me a bit.

There are two other threads on the California forum right now discussing this reality -- that includes multiple bankruptcies in Alabama, Pennsylvania, Idaho, Rhode Island, and more.

All California's fault, right?

The concept of denial is interesting when considering the state the world is in while some point fingers only at California, which is an international leader in spite of the crisis.

[RUOK?]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

Problem is, you have a large gullible voting bloc who are led in Pied Piper fashion by iconoclasts spewing warmed over bits from old Norris novels. It's almost unbelievable. A mere generation ago, there was a relatively clear thinking Middle Class who believed in hard work and minimal BS. Unfortunately now, their offspring have more of an Underclass mentality, and really want to stick it to the man. What a tragedy.

Actually generations ago, we actually invested in our public sector. We paid teachers well (in relative terms). We invested in infrastructure. We invested in our university systems. We did have clear thinking in the sense that we needed to invest in the state to make it great.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by RUOK?

Actually generations ago, we actually invested in our public sector. We paid teachers well (in relative terms). We invested in infrastructure. We invested in our university systems. We did have clear thinking in the sense that we needed to invest in the state to make it great.

But ya retreaded Jerry Brown regardless and keep the closed membership of the Legislature protected and static anyway.

It's the old story of doing the same thing time and again and expecting different results. You know what that's called, don't you?

[blauskies]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

Seems the link is dead. In any case, if you'd have asked me 30 years ago what the Bay Area's population would be in 2012 I'd have said 11 or 12 mil. The trajectory was thus - a less extreme version of So Cal. Something happened during the 90s that ruined the whole atmosphere. It was more than just regs although the regs were quite harmful. I think the something was cultural. The old freewheeling Bay Area culture which was neither Left nor Right, became more like the NE US. But it ended up even more extreme than the NE US. It was like a version of NE US liberalism that had gone insane or senile. It's an unbalanced, millenarian, bat sh___ crazy liberalism. In fact liberalism is a misnomer to describe it. It has more totalitarian characteristics and is a far cry from Classical Liberalism.

Click on the top right corner, say's wait so many seconds or click Continue to Site. It's a good read, maybe I don't agree with it 100% but it surely raises an eyebrow.

Try this link:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothyl...sidents-today/

Regulations, same issue with here, they can't build any further west because they are already up to the Everglades, can't start back-filling it, have to build up with hi-rises. San Jose can't do that because of the airport, and while a lot of California regulations are nice, Morgan Hill and Gilroy could have been developed a little more, more housing with some commuter rail to cut down on the road traffic. I read that was more development was proposed in that area but faltered in the downturn.

I don't know what the regulations are in the Santa Cruz mountains or the history on Scotts Valley and how much more it can be developed? I for one would have a hard time taking 17 everyday into San Jose, that road is not beneficial to volume growth, one accident and it's a parking lot.