Prop 30 passes (Los Angeles: student loans, lawyers, college)

[Youthanasia]

Originally Posted by TristramShandy

I buy my own health care and pay into my own retirement. I am not a union member.

You should be one then since you do both of those things.

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by TristramShandy

Love how many of you bemoan the rise in sales tax as being more taken from you . . . and then when somebody else says that it is being taken from them too, it suddenly means nothing.

Who says that I don't fight for pension reform? I am for that and would vote for that reform if it came up in a proposition. I don't have a pension. I buy my own health care and pay into my own retirement. I am not a union member.

If I could think of a way that the selfish people like yourself wouldn't benefit from having a more educated populace around you, I could logically exempt you from paying money into Prop 30. If you never used public monies for public schools, if you never employed people who came through public school systems or public universities, if you never benefited from the inventions and findings that came from public funded institutions, then you really weren't benefited by them, and you should be exempt from paying money to them, even if that action was decided by a democratic process.

I've supported taxes when those taxes have affected me; I haven't dodged taxes; I have no off-shore tax havens where I squirrel away money that I don't want to pay, unlike many business owners (including the Mitt Romneys of the world). The state and country get my money, and I appreciate the services that I get for those taxes as well, including a better educated citizenry. Point to the countries that do better than us in worldwide education; I'm betting most of them have higher tax rates than we do.

More taken from me? You're kidding right? .025% is not really anything to bemoan about.

But most importantly you did not hear me say one thing about money being taken from me.

You heard me say that Prop 30 put us into a very unfair voting situation.

Unless the vote affected your income then I don't believe you had a right to vote on it. You put a sales tax hike in the same Prop as a personal income tax hike on the top earning 3%. The tax hike should have applied to everyone and not just the top 3%. The top 3% will find ways around this injustice. It was a poorly thought out Prop.

When a state starts giving the masses the authority to dictate how much income tax the top earners pay...then you will see a Greece and France occurring.

You are the very definition of selfish. A person who wants the reep benefits at other peoples personal income expense.

This is not about the paltry .025% I am talking about your personal state income tax.

If you are so pro education why don't you take 40% of your income and dontate it to the cause? Since you think money is going to solve the problem. Your paltry .025% is not going to do much.

What is most alarming is that you really believe that magically somehow the K-12 is going to improve with the passage of this Prop.

History has shown over and over in this state that throwing money at a broken system will not fix it...it never has.

You have no clue why the education system is a mess in this state if you think throwing money at it is going to improve that system.

All of your other rambling is just off topic as it has nothing to do with this discussion. The discussion is about allowing the masses to dictate how much to tax a very small mass of people's income. Yep sounds like a fair system to me.

All of us who legally work are paying taxes so I am not sure why you think you had to impress us with your history of paying taxes.


CA takes enough but spends like a madmen. CA is inefficient, wasteful and corrupt. CA had other routes to use to generate money but they put together this poorly thought out and unjust Prop 30 instead.

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by TrueTimbers

Wow, I love it! Put you radicals under pressure from loosing and your true colors begin to show...
Sure glad you are in a shrinking minority of people... If you had your way we would be back in the Dark Ages in a blink of an eye...

So it is not "fair" that people who have taken more pay more? Just how do you think people with wealth got wealthy? By taking societies resources and turning a profit from the bottom 80%.

Everything that allows one to fulfill the "American Dream" is based on a functioning society...

Play out your way and we will be back in the dark ages, with a small ruling class living behind walls, and the rest begging for scraps.... (oops thats what we already have the last 20 years in America)

Not a sustainable model.... Hello ???

You would do well in a dictatorship, where the ruling class lives high on the hog, while they milk the population for everything...

MOD CUT

Hello

First of all you don't live in CA nor were you eligible to vote on Prop 30.

Secondly you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to me since you don't seem to comprehend what I am saying.

Nothing you wrote pertains to me or this discussion.

Talk about living in the Dark Ages...everything you wrote was just Dark, silly and way off topic.

[CA4Now]

Passage means no tuition hikes, longer school year and restoration of classes.
Passage of Prop. 30 hailed by educators - latimes.com

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Passage means no tuition hikes, longer school year and restoration of classes.
Passage of Prop. 30 hailed by educators - latimes.com

Really? Of course educators are going to hail it. Now they don't have to worry about thier pensions being touched. You need to look at all facters as well as all of the players interests to fully understand why someone is all for something.

Let's do an experiment and see in 2,3 or 5 years if the K-12 education system has improved in CA. We can speculate all day long about it but let time show the truth.

Just keep in mind that CA governements have shown us over and over that it poorly manages money. That it is inefficient,corrupt and wasteful. Which is why it is amazing that anyone in their right mind would vote to give them more. How much more proof do you need people? Keep this in the front of your mind at all times.

And while your at it try and understand why the CA education system needs an overhaul of it's policies. Money is not the issue it is the how inefficiently schools are managed. No amount of money is going to fix this mess.

http://www.sfgate.com/education/arti...em-2610142.php

http://trademartes.com/finance/40-th...-in-california

[04kL4nD]

You do realize that not all teachers have pensions right?

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Passage means no tuition hikes, longer school year and restoration of classes.
Passage of Prop. 30 hailed by educators - latimes.com

Don't you think it would help to plug the border ? It's difficult and expensive to educate a large part of Central America and Mexico.

[Chowhound]

Originally Posted by Rakin

Don't you think it would help to plug the border ? It's difficult and expensive to educate a large part of Central America and Mexico.

Didn't you know... you can't say that, it makes you a racist.

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

You do realize that not all teachers have pensions right?

New California Taxes Pay for Pensions, Not Schools - Bloomberg

And this was written by:David Crane, a former financial-services executive and a Democrat, is a lecturer at Stanford University and president of Govern for California, a nonpartisan government-reform group. He was an economic adviser to California GovernorArnold Schwarzenegger from 2004 to 2011.


"That’s where the tax increase comes in. Under California law, schools get the first 40 cents of every dollar of state revenue. With the state forecasting new revenue of $7 billion from the tax increase, that means almost $3 billion a year for the schools to use for pensions, or two-thirds of the Calstrs $4.5 billion request. A good start to meeting pension costs, but none of the tax increase will benefit students."

Voters really needed to do thier homework before they voted on Prop 30.

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by Chowhound

Didn't you know... you can't say that, it makes you a racist.

Understand... we have the same problems. Somebody's got to get real, CA doesn't have much more ability to take from the people.