Should California's expensive regions consider increasing the minimum wage to $15.00/hour? (San Jose: low income, hotels)

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

It is true that one can live in an area that is cheaper but this does not mean that people can just up and move entirely to another part of the state or out of state

You must be new here too. Many thousands of people have been doing just that the past 10 years as CA has continued to decline. You think they are leaving CA for other states because they love exchanging beaches and perfect weather for rain, tornados, blazing heat and humidity? They have moved because it has become too expensive and lack of jobs. You can't afford an area or a certain state, you move to one you can afford. People have only been doing that for oh, 70-80 years....

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mbell75

You must be new here too. Many thousands of people have been doing just that the past 10 years as CA has continued to decline. You think they are leaving CA for other states because they love exchanging beaches and perfect weather for rain, tornados, blazing heat and humidity? They have moved because it has become too expensive and lack of jobs. You can't afford an area or a certain state, you move to one you can afford. People have only been doing that for oh, 70-80 years....

and over that "70 - 80" years, California's population has tripled. Some exodus huh.

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

and over that "70 - 80" years, California's population has tripled. Some exodus huh.

Thats not the point. Quit following me into threads looking to start arguments.

[Tulemutt]

Quit posting nonsense. Problem solved.

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Quit posting nonsense. Problem solved.

Its not nonsense. I don't care if CA's population has tripled. Thats not what was being discussed. As usual, you go off topic just to start an argument. However, if you want to go down that road. The number of people who have left CA are far greater than the number who have moved in for the past 12-15 years now and thats FACT. Do some research.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by mbell75

You must be new here too. Many thousands of people have been doing just that the past 10 years as CA has continued to decline. You think they are leaving CA for other states because they love exchanging beaches and perfect weather for rain, tornados, blazing heat and humidity? They have moved because it has become too expensive and lack of jobs. You can't afford an area or a certain state, you move to one you can afford. People have only been doing that for oh, 70-80 years....

California born and raised, don't even start with me. California's population, like other states has been increasing and don't give me that immigration baloney either. net immigration from Latin America has stalled and some believe has reversed. this is seen in the decline of the Spanish language among the Latino population as those immigrants have become established just like the immigrant groups before them.

In all of CA's metro areas, a good chunk of the population are transplants from other US states. Do people move out of California? Sure, even I have before but they're not doing it for the lunatic sounding reasons you seem to be suggesting. You talking about people moving from California and ignoring the fact that people move into CA is misleading. Also most people tend to move within their regions so residents of CA, OR, WA, NV and AZ tend to move into other states in these regions. Walk around San Diego or the Bay Area and ask how many are native. if this has escaped you, then you're the one who's new here.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mbell75

Its not nonsense. I don't care if CA's population has tripled. Thats not what was being discussed. As usual, you go off topic just to start an argument. However, if you want to go down that road. The number of people who have left CA are far greater than the number who have moved in for the past 12-15 years now and thats FACT. Do some research.

You're the one who brought up population - with an erroneous statement. To wrap it up for you, California's population is still increasing - and projected to continue at about 1% or so per year - which is a much slower rate than in the past (thankfully). You are referring to in / out migration with other states. And yes, in that statistic, California is slowly declining. But overall, it is increasing. Mostly right now from international immigration. Birthrate is running at only 2.1 - barely replacement.

Now, of course, next you will say that the immigration is illegals! Except it's not.

Anyway, thousands of people leaving the state is not fast enough to reduce population - even if that were the net truth. California seriously needs to lose population for real. I don't get why you act as if that would be a bad thing. Especially when you are always complaining about the state's deterioration.

[eccotecc]

Those who are being recruited to migrate or immigrate into the state usually have employment that pays above the minimum wage because of desired STEM skills. The people moving to the state with these skills receive appropriate liveable wages. However, with that being said, it still doesn't solve the minimum wage conundrum.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by eccotecc

mysticaltyger,

As I read it, there are 92,000,000 able bodied citizens who choose not to participate in the national labor force. Could it be because they get more in the way of financial support than what they would earn if working for minimum wage? Is the current minimum wage a disincentive to participate in the labor force? If business is looking for labor and encouraging immigration, then why are so many citizens choosing not to participate in the labor force?

There are lots of reasons people can't or won't want to participate in the labor force including:

--Just don't want the stress any more
--No one willing to pay what the person wants (not necessarily minimum wage jobs)
--Age discrimination
--Living off the welfare state is easier (especially for single moms where dad is missing in action)
--Saved/invested for many years and became financially independent, etc.

A low minimum wage may be a disincentive for some low skill people to work. But a higher minimum will lock some of those people out of the labor force permanently, as employers will automate away as many low skill jobs as they can.

I would say the welfare state is a larger disincentive to participate in the labor force than anything. If you're a single parent in a high cost area with 2 dependent kids, even a job paying 25K a year isn't going to give you any real incentive to work if you get food stamps, subsidized housing, etc.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

California born and raised, don't even start with me. California's population, like other states has been increasing.

California's population has increased mostly because of births. Our overall population growth rate has been at or below the national average for over 20 years now. The U.S. population growth rate as a whole has also been slowing down.