Remember How Great California Was? (Brea: income tax, rich, retire)

[BeauCharles]

Originally Posted by Perma Bear

If republicans are so successful then why does the median republican voter play his banjo in his 100k Alabama home instead of being a million in Bay Area one?

One could argue there are a fair number of Democratic voters in those same 100K Alabama homes (I won't toss out some trite racial stereotype about what they enjoy doing), just as there are ridiculously wealthy Republicans even in the Bay Area. The "median" of any part isn't the wealthy.

[beb0p]

Originally Posted by BeauCharles

One could argue there are a fair number of Democratic voters in those same 100K Alabama homes (I won't toss out some trite racial stereotype about what they enjoy doing), just as there are ridiculously wealthy Republicans even in the Bay Area. The "median" of any part isn't the wealthy.

If you want to know what a state would like if the Republican principles really get to spread its wings unimpeded, just look at Kansas.

Anyone who thinks Kansas should be how California aspire to be, needs his head examined.
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[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Perma Bear

If republicans are so successful then why does the median republican voter play his banjo in his 100k Alabama home instead of being a million in Bay Area one?

If California votes were based on tax payers, the state would be red. In fact, almost the entire country except the Pacific Northwest and the New England area would be red.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by beb0p

If you want to know what a state would like if the Republican principles really get to spread its wings unimpeded, just look at Kansas.

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Uh, you mean Texas.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

If California votes were based on tax payers, the state would be red. In fact, almost the entire country except the Pacific Northwest and the New England area would be red.

What you are really trying to say here is: what if only the wealthy were allowed to vote. And this begs the question of whether you feel only the wealthy are worthy ... and whether only the wealthy are productive in and valuable to the nation.

The fact is, we live in a progessive tax society. Which means that many persons who work and contribute do not earn sufficiently to meet the paying brackets ... do they not contribute to the fabric of the nation?

And what about all the people who are retired, disabled, students ... etc.?

Only the rich are worthy? The wealthy pay the most because they benefit the most from the system that pays them.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

What you are really trying to say here is: what if only the wealthy were allowed to vote. And this begs the question of whether you feel only the wealthy are worthy ... and whether only the wealthy are productive in and valuable to the nation.

The fact is, we live in a progessive tax society. Which means that many persons who work and contribute do not earn sufficiently to meet the paying brackets ... do they not contribute to the fabric of the nation?

And what about all the people who are retired, disabled, students ... etc.?

Only the rich are worthy? The wealthy pay the most because they benefit the most from the system that pays them.

I think only tax payers should be allowed to vote on tax measures (bonds/increases/etc). Is that not fair? Why should someone who is a tax negative contributor have any say on what other's do with their money?

The simple fact is the poor and lazy will ALWAYS vote and identify with the political party that promises to redistribute someone else's stuff to themselves.

Although it's backfiring for the poor and lower middle class in California who vote overwhelmingly Democrat. The democrats have run out of money to give away to people hence the massive gas tax increase. I'm ok with the higher gas taxes because they'll hit illegals and welfare queens hardest. Then those perennial Democrat voters will see how their chosen side treats them. People in the upper middle class and higher will barely notice the increased fees.

I could pay 200% tax for gas and not feel a tingle, but your average low wage Democrat? They will be suffering, self induced suffering.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I think only tax payers should be allowed to vote on tax measures (bonds/increases/etc). Is that not fair? Why should someone who is a tax negative contributor have any say on what other's do with their money?
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Your typical arrogance toward the less fortunate aside, no. It's not fair. The wealthy will never, or rarely, vote for taxes necessary to manage society equitably at all levels. Any select class will always vote only in their own interests. Yet the nation thrives on the full range of its electorate.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I think only tax payers should be allowed to vote on tax measures (bonds/increases/etc). Is that not fair? Why should someone who is a tax negative contributor have any say on what other's do with their money?

The simple fact is the poor and lazy will ALWAYS vote and identify with the political party that promises to redistribute someone else's stuff to themselves.

Although it's backfiring for the poor and lower middle class in California who vote overwhelmingly Democrat. The democrats have run out of money to give away to people hence the massive gas tax increase. I'm ok with the higher gas taxes because they'll hit illegals and welfare queens hardest. Then those perennial Democrat voters will see how their chosen side treats them. People in the upper middle class and higher will barely notice the increased fees.

I could pay 200% tax for gas and not feel a tingle, but your average low wage Democrat? They will be suffering, self induced suffering.

Notice how he switched it from tax payers to rich?

As to voting, "Bread and Circus" has been the way to get votes since Roman times. Politicians have learned to use that, not do the job they were voted into office to do, just to get the power they want.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Notice how he switched it from tax payers to rich?

As to voting, "Bread and Circus" has been the way to get votes since Roman times. Politicians have learned to use that, not do the job they were voted into office to do, just to get the power they want.

Aren't you too poor to come back to California?

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Notice how he switched it from tax payers to rich?
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Doesn't make a lick of difference to the point made. Those huge numbers of non-taxpayers referred to include millions and millions and millions of retired, students, disabled,... and low paid workers without whom the taxpayers could not thrive.