California Governor's Race (Los Angeles, Long Beach, Davis: vacation home, DMV, camps)

[Des-Lab]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

A sanctuary state has nothing to do with protecting illegal alien criminals.

BS. It has everything to do with that. It's "stacking the deck" any way they can in favor of assuring they stay in power forever. And it's been working.

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

That 3rd strike for a minor crime ignores that the guy is a lifetime criminal.

Correct. Opponents of Three Strikes don't seem to get this. The whole point of the law was to punish and hopefully break a serial repetition pattern of criminal behavior. This was what the infamous 'slice of pizza' case was all about. It wasn't over a slice of freaking pizza. It was the fact that the person STOLE it and had been stealing over and over and over. Three Strikes was intended to send a message saying 'enough is enough. Don't take what isn't yours. Get your sh** together and behave in a civilized society of face the consequences'.

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Prior to the change in the law, a person could be convicted of two counts of residential burglary (two stikes) when they were 18, lead a crime free life and when they are 50 get a conviction for something relatively minor, like making a threat and get 25 to life. The person still does time for the new offense but they don't get a life sentence.

At some point we need to get rational about who we send to prison for long periods of time and who we don't. Three strikes did not reduce the crime rate, it doesn't act as a deterrent to crime and it's crazy expensive to keep senior citizens in prison, it costs 75k a year to keep a person in prison in California but keeping someone over 55 in prison can double or triple the cost

This tells me that Three Strikes wasn't harsh enough. If that isn't a deterrent, then make the punishments even harsher. For instance a DUI should carry lifetime loss of drivers license along with mandatory ten years in prison. For a first offense. Same thing with even petty thievery. Make it ONE strike. Whatever it takes to eradicate hooliganism.

As far as "the cost", I have no problem with that at all if it means imposing punishment, suffering, hardship, and retribution on criminals, which is what prison is supposed to be about. Not "rehabilitation". I don't care if they're 18 or 80. Lock them up.


Easy way to avoid this is to not commit the offense. Why is that such a difficult concept for so many to grasp?

[kttam186290]

I am, for all intents and purposes, a left-of-center Democrat. I am also an independent thinker and very pragmatic.

One thing I cannot stand whatsoever, is hubris! It's disgusting, especially in a politician!

Donald Trump absolutely takes the cake with hurbis, and so does Gavin Newsom. That's why I have come to the painful realization that I will probably vote for Cox.

[mtnbkr5]

Originally Posted by Finper

Brown is just getting that pen warmed up. There's a rumor that he's going to get rid of death row. Everyone knows he's been anti death penalty since his first day as a politician so I wouldn't be surprised at all. These last 3 months are going to be terrifying

But in the end he will be GONE FOREVER!!!!!

[Finper]

Originally Posted by mtnbkr5

But in the end he will be GONE FOREVER!!!!!

I would be a lot happier about that if Newsome weren't probably taking over

[CA4Now]

Surrounded by TV news cameras, Republican John Cox chatted with weary Californians stuck in long lines at a Sacramento DMV office and joyfully blasted Democratic leaders for turning the agency into a model of inefficiency.

The appearance was primed to be a much-needed publicity coup for the gubernatorial candidate — until he compared the wait times to the Holocaust.

“You know, I met a Holocaust survivor in Long Beach,” Cox said to a man waiting inside. “He survived concentration camps, and he said this was worse. He’s 90 years old and he had to wait four hours down in Long Beach. Can you imagine that?”

Statements about the Holocaust and immigrants trip up John Cox's campaign for California governor

[V8 Vega]

Our health care will be even worse then the DMV is Newsom gets in.

[TCROX]

OH boy- you said it! Greasy gavin is gonna come out swinging will all kinds of heinous crap IF he wins...brown thinks he has proved that Californians are a mindless money machine for him and the elite..
How many parks in your area are now unusable do to excon vagrants living there? How many more are there gonna be if newsom wins? Him and dirty jerry aim to let lots more criminals out and NOT prosecute many more career criminals! They also want the taxpayers to buy them places to stay!! Not just Cox BUT more conservative legislators and judges...there is not conservative voice in the state..the republicans in CA are almost entirely RINOS -- where have they been???

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

Our health care will be even worse then the DMV is Newsom gets in.

Just like at the current day VA. California Care will more or less look like that.

[WizardOfRadical]

Cox is another tool businessman who thinks he has the magic fix.

Businessmen who are politico wannabes all have the same song and dance. "The key to saving California is deregulation. Specifically, deregulating the industry that I work in, so me and my buddies can save tons of money. If we can do that, we will be saved!"

I am so tired of midwestern transplants trying to milk Californians for their money. This dude purchased a vacation home for cheap when real estate tanked in 2007, moved here full time 7 years ago. Now he thinks he has what it takes and knows what makes us tick??

Pffffft. Go back to the cornball suburbs of Chicago. Where simple minded people with strong backs and dull minds will buy into your act.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Des-Lab

BS. It has everything to do with that. It's "stacking the deck" any way they can in favor of assuring they stay in power forever. And it's been working.

You don't even understand the term sanctuary city or why cities claimed that designation, it was in order to get witnesses and victims to report crimes to the police without being afraid they would be arrested for an immigration violation. Maybe you aren't aware of how many sanctuary cities there are and they aren't all in California; https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities...ies-and-States

Originally Posted by Des-Lab

Correct. Opponents of Three Strikes don't seem to get this. The whole point of the law was to punish and hopefully break a serial repetition pattern of criminal behavior. This was what the infamous 'slice of pizza' case was all about. It wasn't over a slice of freaking pizza. It was the fact that the person STOLE it and had been stealing over and over and over. Three Strikes was intended to send a message saying 'enough is enough. Don't take what isn't yours. Get your sh** together and behave in a civilized society of face the consequences'.

BS, 3 strikes was an over reaction to a crime wave and by the time it was passed crime was already decreasing across the US, and there is no evidence that the crime rate went down in jurisdictions with 3 strikes laws than in those without such laws. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Des-Lab

This tells me that Three Strikes wasn't harsh enough. If that isn't a deterrent, then make the punishments even harsher. For instance a DUI should carry lifetime loss of drivers license along with mandatory ten years in prison. For a first offense. Same thing with even petty thievery. Make it ONE strike. Whatever it takes to eradicate hooliganism.

Wrong again...

"Violent crime decreased by about the same rate in California and other three-strikes states as well as those without similar legislation, Parker found. Other researchers who have examined crime in California cities and counties since the legislation took effect have reached similar conclusions, he noted. “Three-strikes is not driving the trend in violent crime,” Parker said. Nor is threat of a life sentence for repeat offenders a deterrent, he added, citing the work of other researchers on offender behavior which found that neither prior arrests nor prior convictions had any impact on an individual offender’s perception of being caught, suggesting that three-strikes laws are not the deterrent that law enforcement officials, politicians and the public would like to believe." https://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/9405

Originally Posted by Des-Lab

As far as "the cost", I have no problem with that at all if it means imposing punishment, suffering, hardship, and retribution on criminals, which is what prison is supposed to be about. Not "rehabilitation". I don't care if they're 18 or 80. Lock them up. Easy way to avoid this is to not commit the offense. Why is that such a difficult concept for so many to grasp?

It doesn't work, 3 strikes laws do not deter crime because offenders do not consider the consequences of their actions. If you want to discuss this then bring some evidence with you, not just your "opinion". And in spite of all your talk about 10 years for a DUI, geezus...do the math. In 2013 there were 160,000 people arrested for DUI in California, if they all spent 10 years in prison that would cost taxpayers 120 billion dollars, and that's just for keeping them in prison, it does not include the cost of social service benefits for the families of the offenders who were the family bread winner. You sure didn't think that one through