you already knew that but the "exodus" is nonsense (Oakland: DMV, taxes)

[Nov2019]

Originally Posted by mlb

So you move to Texas - and they find out you’re a former Californian …. And they take your vote away. NICE. Oh - and they can’t keep the lights on. And their power grid is failing.

Or you move to the South and you figure out that public health protection measures are nowhere to be seen and COVID strikes you. NICE.

As for “middle” income people leaving…. We’re middle income (last income statement before taxes was $62K) that moved back TO California. Lucky for us our housing costs were covered. THAT was key for us. We know what it takes to survive here - and have a comfortable living. We’re living on the SAME MONEY we lived on in Utah.

We just don’t have the church controlling/nannying our lives. And we don’t have BUSINESS PEOPLE running Public Health.

The reason Republicans will never rule California and the State Legislature again is that they are very bad at it. And people know it. We have very long memories and scars to prove it.

I agree. We lived all over and settled in California. Control your expenses, you don't pay much in state taxes.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by VikingsToValhalla

Even more concerning are the numerous businesses, both large and small, that are leaving for Texas and other states.

Why is it concerning ? The state remains the world’s 5th strongest economy among hundreds of nations. Why does California need to be home to every company in the nation or be considered a failure ?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by allenk893

Then stop allowing illegal immigrants every freaking year across the borders.

Immigration and border control are 100% federal functions. States are not empowered to control immigration.

[V8 Vega]

But states don't need to promote immigration by offering free health care, drivers license, and DMV voter registration, school free lunches, housing subsidies.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by HappyinCali

Why would you exclude immigrants? Oh right, to fit your agenda? the bay area is full of immigrants working at the top tech and biotech companies - the smartest people europe, asia and africa have top offer. The state is losing all these people if you exclude all the people moving in!! makes sense. lol

I exclude immigrants to drill down on what is happening to domestic Californians. Those who were born and raised in Cali, paid taxes, voted, fought wars, & created most of the wealth in the state. These are the people leaving Cali. They are taking their wealth, companies, & jobs with them.

The middle class in Cali has been decimated. For the most part, you have the wealthy, and those who serve them. The cost of living, taxes, and regulations, are strangling the domestic population.

To get an understanding of this, one must exclude immigrants in the net outflows and inflows.

How many Cali Billionaires are immigrants on this list?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrick...h=7ecd809379e8

Generally speaking, immigrants are less educated, have less money, & thus are a net drain on Cali's public resources. They are much more likely to be takers, and not makers. However, not ALL immigrants are the same. Asians are more educated than Hispanics, for instance.

https://www.ppic.org/publication/imm...in-california/

Cali is losing massive amounts of employers to Texas, there's no denying it. Cali is losing massive amounts of long time Cali residents to other states.

If this net outbound flow of Cali's best and brightest is not stemmed soon, the states financial outlook will begin to decline to the point that even the IT sector cannot mask.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

But states don't need to promote immigration by offering free health care, drivers license, and DMV voter registration, school free lunches, housing subsidies.

The state doesn’t offer those things to promote immigration. Those things are offered as a function of (humane) situational management.

[HappyinCali]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

I exclude immigrants to drill down on what is happening to domestic Californians. Those who were born and raised in Cali, paid taxes, voted, fought wars, & created most of the wealth in the state. These are the people leaving Cali. They are taking their wealth, companies, & jobs with them.

The middle class in Cali has been decimated. For the most part, you have the wealthy, and those who serve them. The cost of living, taxes, and regulations, are strangling the domestic population.

To get an understanding of this, one must exclude immigrants in the net outflows and inflows.

How many Cali Billionaires are immigrants on this list?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrick...h=7ecd809379e8

Generally speaking, immigrants are less educated, have less money, & thus are a net drain on Cali's public resources. They are much more likely to be takers, and not makers. However, not ALL immigrants are the same. Asians are more educated than Hispanics, for instance.

https://www.ppic.org/publication/imm...in-california/

Cali is losing massive amounts of employers to Texas, there's no denying it. Cali is losing massive amounts of long time Cali residents to other states.

If this net outbound flow of Cali's best and brightest is not stemmed soon, the states financial outlook will begin to decline to the point that even the IT sector cannot mask.

Blah blah blah. Immigrants do all of the above. I am an immigrant and have paid more in taxes than the vast % of “natives”.

Why don’t you stop beating around the bush and just admit you are xenophobic so we can know what we are working with, instead of just posting some nonsense under the veneer of respectability.

[V8 Vega]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

The state doesn’t offer those things to promote immigration. Those things are offered as a function of (humane) situational management.

Those things are offered so they will eventually vote for Democrats.

[visual_snacks]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Immigration and border control are 100% federal functions. States are not empowered to control immigration.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

The state doesn’t offer those things to promote immigration. Those things are offered as a function of (humane) situational management.

Likewise, a state government shouldn't be handling a federal issue with the states money, those people are not residents of the state or the country (deported when caught). The state shouldn't encourage illegal immigration by offering those things either, it might not be written that way in the law but that's the reality. The reality is there's a large Hispanic population here, Democrats blur the the difference between illegal and legal immigrants to play them into thinking republic are just against Hispanics and keep voting for those hand outs, it's false and manipulative.

[VikingsToValhalla]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Why is it concerning ? The state remains the world’s 5th strongest economy among hundreds of nations. Why does California need to be home to every company in the nation or be considered a failure ?

Well, if California wishes to remain one of the world's strongest economies, then it needs to retain those businesses. The trend of businesses leaving CA could become even stronger over the next few years if CA doesn't become more competitive for business. When businesses leave, people will leave, and CA's future tax revenue will start to decrease.