More people leaving the state than entering this year (Oxnard: house prices, neighborhood)

[Bluesmama]

Oregon's notorious for their resentment towards Californians moving here. And, yes, there are a lot of them. But Californians are by far not the only ones. And I don't think there's a single state that doesn't complain about transplants (except for Wyoming?). Yet many Oregonians seem to have it in their minds that ALL Californians want to move here, and WILL. And I know that isn't so, because my family and some friends are still there with no plans of going anywhere.

There are some things I like about Oregon but there are lot of things that I like better about California, too.

[Twinkle Toes]

Originally Posted by Bluesbabe

Oregon's notorious for their resentment towards Californians moving here. And, yes, there are a lot of them. But Californians are by far not the only ones. And I don't think there's a single state that doesn't complain about transplants (except for Wyoming?). Yet many Oregonians seem to have it in their minds that ALL Californians want to move here, and WILL. And I know that isn't so, because my family and some friends are still there with no plans of going anywhere.

There are some things I like about Oregon but there are lot of things that I like better about California, too.

Oregon won't have to worry about me!

[BennyPhoenix]

Wont have to worry about me either.
I hate oregon.

[elousv]

I was also listening to AM yesterday, probably the same one as the OP. Listeners were invited to call in if they are leaving the state, or have already left. What I could hear in the voices was utter exasperation and most felt they had to flee. They were tired of oppressive taxation, did not see the money spent on anything of benefit to them, tired of having to send kids to private school for a decent education, tired of seeing neighborhoods wither, tired of being surrounded by scum. If you analyzed the statistics, I wager you would find that a fair number of those leaving contribute significantly to the treasury and that the state is at a net loss of those people leaving vs. coming in. The overall population may have grown, but that is due to births within the state.

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by vfrpilot

What I don't get is why you say that if you live in TX or CO you must be poor or crazy.

That's not what I said. For one thing, it's a well known fact that people tend to move to warmer climates rather than colder ones ... which is why Colorado, for example, only has five million people. I personally hate snow so to me, moving to Colorado would be crazy.

And, in fact, Colorado doesn't even make the top five of migration states. No surprize there.

http://mcdc2.missouri.edu/data/popests/Reports/dmig_report_states (broken link)

If people can afford it ... they tend to go with moderate climates that don't have either cold or heat extremes. Sure, there are always a few exceptions but, generally, that's where the migration patterns go.

This is also why the California out migration has dropped by half in the last two years... since housing prices have dropped by 40 percent in that same time period.

[vfrpilot]

This is also why the California out migration has dropped by half in the last two years... since housing prices have dropped by 40 percent in that same time period.

I look at this from a different angle. I think the loss of property value and the slow real estate markets is actually keeping people in CA who would have fled otherwise.

I personally hate snow so to me, moving to Colorado would be crazy.

I thought the same thing. I spent a lot of work-related time in CO and found that I really didn't mind the weather here. The snow is much lighter than I thought. It can be moved quite easily and is so dry and powdery that it's hard to make snowballs or snowmen. At least once a week during the winter, it gets warm enough to ride my motorcycle, providing the ice has melted on the local roads. I guess I can only speak of the area we live. I have friends in Pueblo that ride all year and folks in the resort areas that can ride snowmobiles for 6 months. Like CA, the weather can vary all over the state. I am not saying the weather here is better than coastal CA, just different. I enjoyed the weather in SoCal while we were there, and now I'm enjoying, yes even the snow, the weather here. Put me in the "not in their right mind" category.

[cobmw]

If you are only going to make the comparison based on weather then CA wins. The problem is that while CA has the weather it has so many, many downsides. The last 15 years that I lived full-time in Ca I bellyached daily about the awful brown air, the horrendous traffic, the aggressive drivers, the dirty, littered streets, the illegals invasion and the one-party political system that made my vote worthless. Now I just keep a vacation home there for visits. After a few days I've had enough good weather (and enough bad stuff) and I'm ready to get out. But it is fun for afew days at a time.

[Twinkle Toes]

Originally Posted by cobmw

If you are only going to make the comparison based on weather then CA wins. The problem is that while CA has the weather it has so many, many downsides. The last 15 years that I lived full-time in Ca I bellyached daily about the awful brown air, the horrendous traffic, the aggressive drivers, the dirty, littered streets, the illegals invasion and the one-party political system that made my vote worthless. Now I just keep a vacation home there for visits. After a few days I've had enough good weather (and enough bad stuff) and I'm ready to get out. But it is fun for afew days at a time.

You aint seen aggressive drivers til you've moved to Texas. Especially if you still have your CA plates on your car.

[jc76]

Hahaha! Sorry but i gotta tell you all that here in hickville USA most people back off from a car with CA plates because around here everyone thinks that if your from California your evil or your a drug dealer. Sad but true. But remember, those thoughts are coming from druids who choose to live in cold, depressing, nascar country.

...ok I think in that last sentence I just degraded myself. Well, I'm stuck here for other reasons.

[Twinkle Toes]

Originally Posted by jc76

Hahaha! Sorry but i gotta tell you all that here in hickville USA most people back off from a car with CA plates because around here everyone thinks that if your from California your evil or your a drug dealer. Sad but true. But remember, those thoughts are coming from druids who choose to live in cold, depressing, nascar country.

...ok I think in that last sentence I just degraded myself. Well, I'm stuck here for other reasons.

Texas is where I learned NOT to use turn signals - you never want to tip off the enemy to your next move!