04-03-2009, 09:22 AM
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Are u kidding me about a Wal-Mart going in San Luis Obispo??? That's like Santa Barbara getting rid of Nordstrom or Sak's Fifth Avenue and putting in a giant thrift stores.
And Target is slated for construction late this year, and they are far in their path to be built.
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JcPenney's used to be in San Luis Obispo, so thats why i think they might be an option. And Dillards would probably fit too. But i think macys fits it the city better and has been trying to come to SLO for yrs.
Target would probably be the ONLY larger retail store that I wouldn't mind being built in SLO. Regarding Macy's... I've never heard even one person suggest they want a Macy's in SLO, it's just too expensive and you can get the same stuff in the locally owned stores downtown for about the same price.
04-03-2009, 12:58 PM
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Are u kidding me about a Wal-Mart going in San Luis Obispo??? That's like Santa Barbara getting rid of Nordstrom or Sak's Fifth Avenue and putting in a giant thrift stores.
No I'm not kidding. The discount chains are the ones expanding the most right now. Also WalMarts customer demographics actually can be fairly middle class in many areas. Given the recession that could increase.
And remember, the SLO Promenade is now a big box center, some say a power center. It is not a major clothing shopping area like State Street in Santa Barbara. Gottschalks was just a remnant of the mall days.
The other option we have not discussed is that the building could be purchased by an investor than split into 3 or 4 smaller stores. That opens up other companies.
04-03-2009, 03:49 PM
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I was driving down Higuera and there are already people holding Gottschalks liquidation signs.... they don't mess around, do they?
04-03-2009, 03:50 PM
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No I'm not kidding. The discount chains are the ones expanding the most right now. Also WalMarts customer demographics actually can be fairly middle class in many areas. Given the recession that could increase.
Macy's tried going into San Luis Obispo twice. Twice with Dalidio, and once before with Gottschalks with a low offer.
Wal-Mart will never go in San Luis Obispo. The city would block it so easily. And like I said Target is already signed with Madonna and have submitted their plans to the city.
JcPenney's, Macy's, and Dillards all have stores in big-box centers. Macy's just doesn't have any in California right now.
I don't think you are aware of the negotiations Macy's had with the Dalidio project. That Macy's would have in the first project, the San Luis Obispo Marketplace. It would have been in a two-story 55,000 sq. ft. 80's retro style building. Macy's gave the city everything they wanted to be in SLO. But Macy's backed out because they were done dealing with thecity's architecture guide lines. Macy's would love the 80s retro-style Gottschalks building because it is exactly the style of building they wanted.
Also, the city has designated the Gottschalks building only for a department store. This is because they need the department stores money coming into the city.
04-03-2009, 05:35 PM
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Gottschalks bought the Harris chain in Southern California from El Corte Ingles. As part of the deal El Corte Ingles had a minority stake in Gottschalks.
El Corte Ingles is a superb department store as anyone who's ever been to Spain knows. Interesting they'd want to expand across the Atlantic during these troubled times.
04-03-2009, 07:04 PM
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The key thing to remember is that the SLO building will be auctioned to the highest bidder.
The only thing that matters is who has the most cash, not what anyone thinks or what the city of SLO would prefer. It could be a lot of companies or investors that end up with the building.
And understand I am not saying that Macys would not go there, I am simply saying another possibility might be Walmart.
This might be Walmart's best chance to open a SLO store since any new building would need a long planning and approval process. They might want it more than someone else.
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Wal-Mart will never go in San Luis Obispo. The city would block it so easily.
As long as Walmart conforms to SLO zoning and retail regulations the city can't stop them.
What gets Walmart stymied is when they want more. For example as long as Walmart did not attempt a supercenter store which would exceed size regulations in SLO the city could not block it without facing lawsuits.
If Walmart decided they could be happy with the existing building size it would be hard to stop.
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I don't think you are aware of the negotiations Macy's had with the Dalidio project.
I am very aware of the negotiations that occured in the past. You are not the only one who followed the news about it closely.
And of course then we have to wonder if Macys still carries a grudge about problems with the past attempts to open in SLO.
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Also, the city has designated the Gottschalks building only for a department store. This is because they need the department stores money coming into the city.
I'm not sure what you mean as designated only for a department store. What are you thinking of that is different than the site's zoning for retail?
I believe the site is zoned C-R-PD which SLO applies for uses like General Retail. As long as Walmart stayed with the current building size they should be able to take the site and open. I can't think of anything that would block that.
And its not department store money the city wants. They want sales tax revenue. Walmart does do a good job of providing that.
04-03-2009, 11:58 PM
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The key thing to remember is that the SLO building will be auctioned to the highest bidder.
The only thing that matters is who has the most cash, not what anyone thinks or what the city of SLO would prefer. It could be a lot of companies or investors that end up with the building.
And understand I am not saying that Macys would not go there, I am simply saying another possibility might be Walmart.
This might be Walmart's best chance to open a SLO store since any new building would need a long planning and approval process. They might want it more than someone else.
As long as Walmart conforms to SLO zoning and retail regulations the city can't stop them.
What gets Walmart stymied is when they want more. For example as long as Walmart did not attempt a supercenter store which would exceed size regulations in SLO the city could not block it without facing lawsuits.
If Walmart decided they could be happy with the existing building size it would be hard to stop.
I am very aware of the negotiations that occured in the past. You are not the only one who followed the news about it closely.
And of course then we have to wonder if Macys still carries a grudge about problems with the past attempts to open in SLO.
I'm not sure what you mean as designated only for a department store. What are you thinking of that is different than the site's zoning for retail?
I believe the site is zoned C-R-PD which SLO applies for uses like General Retail. As long as Walmart stayed with the current building size they should be able to take the site and open. I can't think of anything that would block that.
And its not department store money the city wants. They want sales tax revenue. Walmart does do a good job of providing that.
You do know there is a reason SLO doesnt already have a Wal-Mart...its the same reason Santa Barbara doesnt have a Target, Walmart, or Kmart. There is some ordinance blocking any store like Wal-Mart being in a certain radius of the the downtown. That is why they put Costco, and are putting Target on the rural part of the city. Costco and Targets projects started off in the county, and threw buttering up they went into the city. Wal-Mart is pretty much everything the city is against.
Also, SLO doesnt want Wal-Mart because it attracts people to live in the city, and Wal-Mart will attract developers to build in the city. The city likes things the way they are.
Macy's is still interested in San Luis Obispo...2000 they first had interest. 2002 they were in the san luis obispo marketplace. 2004 they dropped out of his project. 2005 they tried a low-ball offer for the SLO store. and in 2006 they tried going in the dalidio ranch marketpace. even after they left the san luis obispo marketplace they still wanted to come here.
04-04-2009, 02:34 PM
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But again, it is an existing 100,000 sq ft store zoned for General Retail. Walmart probably meets the description of what could go in that spot. Macys also meets it as does many other companies.
The other stores you mention like Costco were trying to build new buildings of a large size so they needed to go further out to meet all the zoning and ordinances as well as find a parcel of land large enough.
As long as a company meets the zoning and other business ordinances the city cannot stop it, even if they do not like it. Heck, DollarTree could probably open a 100,000 sq ft discount store in the building and the city could not stop it.
My point is that Walmart could look at the spot as their chance to enter the SLO market. It doesn't matter that the city may not like it, if the building exists and the current zoning is correct for the business the city cannot selectively block a company.
By the way, since you are interested in shopping centers and retail you might get a student membership in the International Council of Shopping Centers when you start college.
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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