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Old 07-19-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Well, I for one never have any kind of problems at all. You see I take my little dog Cheeky with me and he is a deep cover CIA operative. He just gives this certain secret WOOF and we are waved on through. Once while crossing at International falls the local yokel Homeland security people didn`t recognize the woof and Cheeky told me they were toast because Janet Napolitano is a cousin of his they would be toast when she found out.

 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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While we don't face the same issues as the States no question but we do still face a fair amount of issues now as for the Canadian flag does not get burned thats true but look at what happens in Quebec for exzample last year the group stomping on the flag.
True but lots more people are stomping on our flag than the Canadian flag.
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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To answer the OP - I've never heard of them doing something like that before but these days it doesn't surprise me that that kind of thing is happening now. I'm sorry to hear it happened to you and your story just re-confirms for me that something dreadfully wrong is happening down there and it's no longer the "land of the free and home of the brave", otherwise stuff like that wouldn't be happening.




He wasn't crossing the border yet. He was still in USA approaching the Canadian border to go INTO Canada and got stopped by American Homeland Security officials before he got to the Canadian border. Since when did Homeland Security start interfering with Canadian travellers who were on their way to return home to Canada and when did it become okay?

If you (an American citizen) had been visiting Mexico and then were approaching the border to return to the USA and got stopped and interrogated/inspected by armed Mexican security while you were still in Mexico before reaching the USA border - would that be okay with you? Would it be okay if they detained you on suspicion of something trumped up and prevented you from approaching the border into USA and stopped you from getting back home? If that's okay with you, why is it okay?

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It was near the border...
 
Old 07-19-2013, 09:38 PM
 
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Exit searches are a feature of totalitarian regimes. Why else would a country want to control people and possibly prevent them from leaving the country?
 
Old 07-20-2013, 04:24 AM
 
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Exit searches are a feature of totalitarian regimes. Why else would a country want to control people and possibly prevent them from leaving the country?

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to·tal·i·tar·i·an (t-tl-târ-n)adj. Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed: "A totalitarian regime crushes all autonomous institutions in its drive to seize the human soul" (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.)

Is this what you think of your country? Maybe instead of wasting your time on this Canadian forum you should be rallying the troops in America to make changes to the perceived totalitarian regime.

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Old 07-20-2013, 08:40 AM
 
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What troops?
 
Old 07-20-2013, 11:23 AM
 
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What troops?
Do i really need to spell it out for you? Its called a figure of speech
Lets spell it out then, in this instance Rallying the Troops="Your fellow countrymen" who also think like you...
Or are you totally alone in your viewpoint of your country being a totalitarian regime..?
 
Old 07-20-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Has anyone encountered the U.S. Department of Homeland Security border stops when attempting to leave the country to cross into Canada? The first time I ever saw these was shortly after the Boston bombing incident a few months ago. Now they seem to be putting these up from time to time, and stopping whichever cars they desire. They stopped my car and asked me for identification, and asked me to pop my trunk to allow a search. I told them I do not consent to a search and was immediately threatened and intimidated by these thugs. Since when are they allowed to search people upon exit from the country?

It really makes me glad I'm fortunate enough to live in Canada and not the U.S. police state.
HSI agents, CBP officers, and USBP agents all have the legal authority to conduct border searches of any and all persons, conveyances, and merchandise entering and/or exiting the United States. There are exceptions involving diplomats and of course, national security. It's a small inconvenience compared to the alternative.

You may feel that the United States is a police state but I know for a fact that your Canadian government is just protective of its borders as we are of ours, so please come down off of your high horse of false indignation and show some love and appreciation to your brothers and sisters across the border.

After all, if it were not for our "big, bad American military", Canada would not be such a safe and secure place where you type and post such drivel without fear of having your door kicked in and you being dragged off to a gulag or being made to permanently disappear in the middle of the night.

Freedom isn't free. It never was and never will be.
 
Old 07-20-2013, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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To answer the OP - I've never heard of them doing something like that before but these days it doesn't surprise me that that kind of thing is happening now. I'm sorry to hear it happened to you and your story just re-confirms for me that something dreadfully wrong is happening down there and it's no longer the "land of the free and home of the brave", otherwise stuff like that wouldn't be happening.




He wasn't crossing the border yet. He was still in USA approaching the Canadian border to go INTO Canada and got stopped by American Homeland Security officials before he got to the Canadian border. Since when did Homeland Security start interfering with Canadian travellers who were on their way to return home to Canada and when did it become okay?

If you (an American citizen) had been visiting Mexico and then were approaching the border to return to the USA and got stopped and interrogated/inspected by armed Mexican security while you were still in Mexico before reaching the USA border - would that be okay with you? Would it be okay if they detained you on suspicion of something trumped up and prevented you from approaching the border into USA and stopped you from getting back home? If that's okay with you, why is it okay?

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That happens to Americans all the time because the Mexicans are corrupt and are shaking them down for money, pure and simple.

I know that Mexico is a Third World country that has nothing to offer that I want, so I choose not to go down there. If you feel the US is that bad, then stay on your side of the border. It's your loss, not mine.
 
Old 07-20-2013, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Canada
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That happens to Americans all the time because the Mexicans are corrupt and are shaking them down for money, pure and simple.

I know that Mexico is a Third World country that has nothing to offer that I want, so I choose not to go down there. If you feel the US is that bad, then stay on your side of the border. It's your loss, not mine.
Okie dokie then - forget about Mexico - I was asking that question before of somebody who lives relatively close to Mexico, which you do not. And s/he never bothered to answer back anyway.

So let's say YOU are travelling through BC or Yukon on your way back to your home in Alaska and you get pulled over and rousted by Canadian security officers just before you approach your own border crossing into Alaska. And please don't tell me that you personally don't ever travel into Canada because it's a third world country.

Are the Canadian security officers rousting you because they're corrupt and are shaking you down for money? Is that your excuse for if they do it? Is it a good excuse for you to be accepting of it?

If they're not corrupt and not shaking you down for money then what would be their reason for stopping you? Why would they stop you just before you're about to go through your own country's security checks, and why would it be okay with you? Why should other Americans accept it as an okay thing for them to do?

Are you suggesting that when American Homeland Security is rousting Canadians returning home to Canada the reason they're doing it is because they're corrupt? Is that okay with you? If they're not doing it because of corruption then why are they doing it? And why would it be okay with American citizens?

Why is any of it in any country okay when the security check at the crossing going into your own country should be good enough?

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