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In terms of looking for what Ontario once was I would think the Maritimes would be a much better choice. Many rural communities there are in decline and certainly could benefit from an influx of decent, hardworking conservative folk.
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^ oh boy. They're in for quite a shock if they move to Quebec!
When did you attend this "religious school" - the 1920s? Most parents nowadays drew up during the 1980s and 1990s, and the youth of that time were growing up in an already highly sexualized environment and I somehow doubt that they as parents would suddenly become oblivious to the issues facing their children. So the real problem here is not the fact that parents nowadays don't know how to talk to their children or want to keep them in a state of "blissful ignorance". It's the fact that The State wants to wants to impose a set of values and engage in social engineering. So while The State expects parents to feed, clothe, house, and protect their children, It considers parents too stupid (or ideologically backward) to "properly" to teach their children about responsible sexual behaviour. It's funny how if what The State is doing were under the auspices of religion, the people would be bleeting about seperation of Church and State; but if it's under the auspices of secular leftist ideology, there's no concern about infringements on personal liberties and rights. Ontario is quickly becoming a Nanny State. It seems to me that many people are deceived by the fact that the governing party is the Liberals, which many people complacently believe are moderate centrists. But Wynne and many of her cronnies are redical leftists very much intent on steering Ontario towards becoming a Socialist state.
Yeah, exactly, I genuinely don't trust a lot of parents to give this information to their kids straight or without some tinge of their own prejudices, so I actually do think it is the government's duty to deliver a standardized, neutral, anti-lalaland education in this regard.
The comparison about the seperation between church and state doesn't work because, typically a religion, of which Canada has none officially, will pick and choose which aspects of sex are morally tolerable and teach those, ignoring what also can and will happen regardless of whether or not it is considered morally dubious. That is not better at all, it is dillusional.
Really? So what else aren't parents trusted to teach their children about? The "sex-ed" that the Liberals want to impose of the people of Ontario is hardly "neutral" and not from "lalaland". To put it politely, much of it is controversial and is clearly designed to encourage kids to engage in such behaviour. It used to be the case that corrupting and perverting adults lurked in the shadows and in back alleys, now apparently they've been authoring curriculum for the public school system. A parent's #1 priority is to protect their children from destructive influences, even if it's being imposed by The State.
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Yeah, exactly, I genuinely don't trust a lot of parents to give this information to their kids straight or without some tinge of their own prejudices, so I actually do think it is the government's duty to deliver a standardized, neutral, anti-lalaland education in this regard.
Complete drivel.
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The comparison about the seperation between church and state doesn't work because, typically a religion, of which Canada has none officially, will pick and choose which aspects of sex are morally tolerable and teach those, ignoring what also can and will happen regardless of whether or not it is considered morally dubious. That is not better at all, it is dillusional.
With or without religion society chooses what is morally tolerable, and that's good. Having no standards at all is bad enough, but this notion of abdicating all parental responsibility to the government is a recipe for disaster.
Really? So what else aren't parents trusted to teach their children about? The "sex-ed" that the Liberals want to impose of the people of Ontario is hardly "neutral" and not from "lalaland". To put it politely, much of it is controversial and is clearly designed to encourage kids to engage in such behaviour. It used to be the case that corrupting and perverting adults lurked in the shadows and in back alleys, now apparently they've been authoring curriculum for the public school system. A parent's #1 priority is to protect their children from destructive influences, even if it's being imposed by The State.
Complete drivel.
When I used the words "neutral" and "lalaland", that was to describe a curriculum ignoring the education of things like masturbation, homosexuality, anal sex, discussion of porn etc. Not the other way around.
The fact that this is such a kick in the pants to some people is a good thing. It means some irrationality is being faced head on. You need to open this stuff up. Not having these discussions in an open environment generates a lot of confusion and embarassment among youth, they feel alienated and weird transitioning out of childhood. I don't think a lot of parents feel comfortable talking about sex in the first place, let alone the fact that large diverse portions of it would probably go undiscussed anyways. Somebody needs to educate them at a standardized level.
I want forthcoming generations to feel completely comfortable and confident with their sexuality. Not to be ashamed, recieve misinformation, and continue to cycle some of the social problems associated with it that we see today.
I want forthcoming generations to feel completely comfortable and confident with their sexuality. Not to be ashamed, recieve misinformation, and continue to cycle some of the social problems associated with it that we see today.
I believe many kids grow up in a vacuum and piece together things like masturbation and different kinds of sex on their own in a very fragmented way, so I think often it's a lot more difficult to take in and become comfortable with these things, and therefore feeling ashamed is common enough. I could've personally benefitted if someone was there to make it clear that these very normal things don't make me comparable to an alien or make me some sort of weirdo.
Sex is a difficult thing for many people to feel comfortable with because it's so stigmatized, so it stands to reason that all kinds of parents aren't going to be so all-inclusive. This is why I just don't think it should be left to parents alone, but a standardized part of education.
I believe many kids grow up in a vacuum and piece together things like masturbation and different kinds of sex on their own in a very fragmented way, so I think often it's a lot more difficult to take in and become comfortable with these things, and therefore feeling ashamed is common enough. I could've personally benefitted if someone was there to make it clear that these very normal things don't make me comparable to an alien or make me some sort of weirdo.
Sex is a difficult thing for many people to feel comfortable with because it's so stigmatized, so it stands to reason that all kinds of parents aren't going to be so all-inclusive. This is why I just don't think it should be left to parents alone, but a standardized part of education.
A quick look at the demographics of those who are protesting the sex-ed reform, and you'll have a pretty good idea why the reform is a good idea. I'm by no means discriminating against these other ethnic groups or immigrants (I am an ethnic minority myself), but if you come here as a recent immigrant, you need to integrate or at the very least be tolerant of your host country's customs and values, not the other way round. Why are they protesting? Because their traditional views of sexuality, sexual liberation, and gender roles - most likely shaped within their home countries' cultures before immigrating to Canada - are being confronted and challenged head on by the new sexual education curriculum.
I believe many kids grow up in a vacuum and piece together things like masturbation and different kinds of sex on their own in a very fragmented way, so I think often it's a lot more difficult to take in and become comfortable with these things, and therefore feeling ashamed is common enough. I could've personally benefitted if someone was there to make it clear that these very normal things don't make me comparable to an alien or make me some sort of weirdo.
Sex is a difficult thing for many people to feel comfortable with because it's so stigmatized, so it stands to reason that all kinds of parents aren't going to be so all-inclusive. This is why I just don't think it should be left to parents alone, but a standardized part of education.
So how come I never felt shame grow up? It makes no sense. This whole sex ed thing sounds like yet another manufactured problem that needs to be fixed.
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A quick look at the demographics of those who are protesting the sex-ed reform, and you'll have a pretty good idea why the reform is a good idea.
Liberal logic is so funny. They love immigrants from illiberal places, and then get upset with these immigrants express their illiberal beliefs.
So how come I never felt shame grow up? It makes no sense. This whole sex ed thing sounds like yet another manufactured problem that needs to be fixed.
Because not EVERYONE will? That doesn't mean it isn't a thing, and it doesn't change the problem of living in a prudish society.
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