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Old 11-26-2011, 03:29 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Again, who WANTS SouthPark to draw even more people???? The reason folks go there is b/c it is upscale. The more folks, the more wear and tear, and the faster it all gets ratty. Renovations cost money. Rent goes up. Prices go up accordingly.

There are plenty of malls for folks to go to in the region if they don't want to deal with traffic around SouthPark.

And heaven knows . . . there is rarely anything in a mall that can't be bought online - wh/ means avoiding traffic, other shoppers, parking, dressing up, avoiding thugs/mugging, car theft, etc etc etc!

There are 12 months in the year. Everyone and her uncle doesn't need to head to SouthPark Mall to do Christmas shopping, for heaven's sake.

I have gotten over half my Christmas shopping completed already and I haven't darkened the door of SouthPark Mall to do any of it.
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:56 PM
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Traffic did not bother me one bit. Uhmmm...
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Concord Mills technically is in Charlotte as well. Carolina Place is the only super-regional mall in our area that is not in Charlotte.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:56 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Wasn't Franklin Mills built by the same company that built Concord Mills? (not that that proves that they knew anything about the area). I was actually in Franklin Mills for the first time ever last year, when I wasn't even living in the area. I didn't like it because it wasn't a full loop so I walked the entire thing and didn't realize that when I was done I was like 3 miles away from my car. But the only reason I went there was because I was already in the relative area, although I didn't feel it was that inconvenient from I-95. When I was living in South Jersey, I don't think a car theft problem had anything to do with why I didn't go (didn't even really know about it until you just said something), I didn't go there because I didn't feel like paying a toll to go over a bridge just to go to a mall, when there were 3 other closer malls in NJ (4 if you want to count Echelon), and if you did want to go to a mall in PA, you went to King of Prussia (and to get a little more on topic, I'm really surprised KofP didn't make the list).
I was just speaking for me & people who I know. I remember when both Franklin Mills & the Gallery were built. People were much more excited about Franklin Mills. However, from day one, there were constant reports of car theft. As you said, Rouse had pretty well covered South Jersey, so people had other options, including the Gallery, if school or work took them to Center City.

More than likely Franklin Mills & Concord Mills were built by the same developer.

If Charlotte put more retail into Uptown or near Uptown it would take some of the traffic away from South Park.
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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Concord Mills technically is in Charlotte as well. Carolina Place is the only super-regional mall in our area that is not in Charlotte.
I thought so too at first but on their website it lists it as a Concord address
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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If Charlotte put more retail into Uptown or near Uptown it would take some of the traffic away from South Park.
I don't think Charlotte can support anymore retail developments than it currently has.
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:35 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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I don't think Charlotte can support anymore retail developments than it currently has.
As the economy comes back, & it will, there will be no problem supporting more.
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Old 11-27-2011, 07:28 AM
 
Location: North of Hell, South of Heaven.
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Not a huge fan of sitting in traffic idling (no hybrid for me, thanks - I'll trade some MPG for the sound of a tuned engine wailing away at redline!) myself. However, one of the things I've always liked about Charlotte/Pineville/Matthews is that everything is more spread out and we don't have (didn't have? smh) a huge urban sprawl with everyone crowding onto trains and buses. (contagious illness, anyone? any takers?) I dunno, I guess I'm just a frumpy old stick in the mud. Traffic sucks, but dealing with mass transit sucks (for me) even more. I'll deal with the traffic and keep my sound system, relative quiet, and knowing some snot-nosed kid that should be at home in bed can't just get in my car and infect me unless I let him. That's the biggest no no about mass transit for me. People are nasty! lol
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Old 11-27-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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You willl never ever see me shopping on Black Friday.
You get better deals with after Christmas Sales.
Santa Claus will appreciate your consideration too!
Jesus may not? Oh well, bah hum bug!
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Old 11-27-2011, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Furlong, PA
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Woodhaven Rd can be like Independence here, or worse.

Overall, Philly has great mass transit, but Franklin Mills is in a blind spot. I understand what you're saying about South Park. I have no problem about driving in Philly but wouldn't go to that mall because of the car theft problem. I'm sure that some people from South Jersey must go, but I didn't know any. I know people who will drive out to Lancaster County for outlets rather than go to Franklin Mills. I used to drive to Delaware for the no sales tax & knew a lot of people who did that rather than go to Franklin Mills. That's the only reason that they are not #1 & South Park #2.
For outlets, the new Phila Premium outlets out on 422 are great.
For real shopping, KOP or even Center City.
For regular stuff, I go to Willow Grove.
No need to ever go to Franklin Mills.

ETA (to keep it relevant to the topic): Was home over the holiday weekend. My wife went to CP this weekend and didn't really have any traffic problems. My buddy's sister and GF tried going to SP and it was a disaster. Of course me, my buddy, and brother in law test drove cars for fun because the dealerships were empty. (Black friday tradition
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