Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-03-2010, 10:01 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
11,825 posts, read 12,495,513 times
Reputation: 1319

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilene Wright View Post
The challenge was for ETer's to prove that there are greek scholars out there that disagree with the list TS.....the burden of proof is on you.
I did .. but since when does answers that doesn't fit UR's Mr. Rodgers neighborhood mean anything.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-03-2010, 10:07 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
11,825 posts, read 12,495,513 times
Reputation: 1319
Quote:
Originally Posted by rodgertutt View Post
It may well come as a surprise to your Greek scholars since they might come to realize it for the first time.
But they will have to admit, if they are honest, the Greek form is as stated below.

……………………..ENGLISH…………… …………..Greek Form
Mat 21:19……….“forever”………………… ………“singular”
Mat 6:13………….“forever”……………… ………..“PLURAL”
Heb 1:8……………“forever and ever”…………….“singular/singular”
Gal 1:5…………….“forever and ever”…………….“PLURAL/PLURAL”
Dan 7:18 LXX …“forever and ever”……………..“singular/PLURAL” in LXX
Eph 3:21………….“world without end”……………“singular/PLURAL”
It might come as a surprise that those scholars would not approve Bibles Without "Everlasting Punishment".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2010, 10:09 PM
 
Location: SC Foothills
8,831 posts, read 11,624,452 times
Reputation: 58253
Quote:
Originally Posted by twin.spin View Post
I did .. but since when does answers that doesn't fit UR's Mr. Rodgers neighborhood mean anything.
Where did you prove this? Name the post because I missed it. A greek scholar who disagrees with the list?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2010, 10:10 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
11,825 posts, read 12,495,513 times
Reputation: 1319
Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticPhD View Post
What you ask would require not only that every greek scholar be found but also that their views could be presented on C-D. There is no way that is remotely feasible. However . . . your task only requires producing ONE greek scholar who disagrees with the list. Since yours is the only feasible proof . . . I suggest you either put up or shut up!
I would suggest you find some crystals and stare at them
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
11,825 posts, read 12,495,513 times
Reputation: 1319
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilene Wright View Post
Where did you prove this? Name the post because I missed it. A greek scholar who disagrees with the list?
Post #40 and it might come as a surprise that those scholars would not approve Bibles Without "Everlasting Punishment".


Now just maybe their knowledge is greater than anyone here
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2010, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
3,153 posts, read 3,407,930 times
Reputation: 259
Default NONE of these scholars from post #40 would disagree

Quote:
Originally Posted by twin.spin View Post
Post #40
NONE of these scholars from post #40 would disagree with the following Greek forms.
ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THEM!!
They might not have thought of it before, but once they look at the Greek forms for themselves they would have to agree that they are right.

Lancelot Andrewes, John Overall, Hadrian à Saravia, Richard Clarke, John Layfield, Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffrey King, Richard Thomson, William Bedwell,Edward Lively, John Richardson, Lawrence Chaderton, Francis Dillingham, Roger Andrewes, Thomas Harrison, Robert Spaulding, Andrew Bing, John Harding, John Rainolds, Thomas Holland, Richard Kilby, Miles Smith, Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough, William Thorne, Thomas Ravis, George Abbot, Richard Eedes, Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile, John Peryn, Ralph Ravens, John Harmar, John Aglionby, Leonard Hutten, William Barlow, John Spenser, Roger Fenton, Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, Thomas Sanderson, John Duport, William Branthwaite, Jeremiah Radcliffe, Samuel Ward, Andrew Downes, John Bois, Robert Ward, Thomas Bilson, Richard Bancroft.

……………………..ENGLISH…………………………..Greek Form
Mat 21:19……….“forever”……………………………“singular”
Mat 6:13………….“forever”…………………………..“PLURAL”
Heb 1:8……………“forever and ever”…………….“singular/singular”
Gal 1:5…………….“forever and ever”…………….“PLURAL/PLURAL”
Dan 7:18 LXX …“forever and ever”……………..“singular/PLURAL” in LXX
Eph 3:21………….“world without end”……………“singular/PLURAL”

Last edited by rodgertutt; 12-03-2010 at 10:23 PM.. Reason: addition
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2010, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
3,153 posts, read 3,407,930 times
Reputation: 259
Post I choose the ones that I perceive glorify God the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by twin.spin View Post
it might come as a surprise that those scholars would not approve Bibles Without "Everlasting Punishment".
So if you are right about that, then it comes down to which Greek scholars you choose to believe. Yours or mine.
An Analytical Study of Words - Undivided Version

I choose the ones that I perceive glorify God the most.

If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, or annihilate them, then you keep believing that.

But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that, according to my Greek scholars, there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that that is exactly what God is like.

My Greek scholars are Louis Abbott and the many Greek scholars he quotes in chapters three and twelve of
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
An Analytical Study of Words

and

THE SCHOLAR’S CORNER FOR THE STUDY OF BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM at
Scholar's Corner: The Center for Bible studies in Christian Universalism

Last edited by rodgertutt; 12-03-2010 at 10:53 PM.. Reason: spacing
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2010, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
28,956 posts, read 16,360,776 times
Reputation: 2296
Quote:
Originally Posted by twin.spin View Post
Now just maybe their knowledge is greater than anyone here
aiona - singular
aionas - plural
aionos - singular
aionon - plural

aioni -
singular

aiosin - plural

That may be an incorrect thought...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2010, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
3,153 posts, read 3,407,930 times
Reputation: 259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerwade View Post
aiona - singular
aionas - plural
aionos - singular
aionon - plural
aioni - singular
aiosin - plural

That may be an incorrect thought...
The correctness of the form usage specifically in the following passages are what we are contending Jerwade.

……………………..ENGLISH…………… …………..Greek Form
Mat 21:19……….“forever”………………… ………“singular”
Mat 6:13………….“forever”……………… ………..“PLURAL”
Heb 1:8……………“forever and ever”…………….“singular/singular”
Gal 1:5…………….“forever and ever”…………….“PLURAL/PLURAL”
Dan 7:18 LXX …“forever and ever”……………..“singular/PLURAL” in LXX
Eph 3:21………….“world without end”……………“singular/PLURAL”
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-04-2010, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Arizona
28,956 posts, read 16,360,776 times
Reputation: 2296
Quote:
Originally Posted by rodgertutt View Post
The correctness of the form usage specifically in the following passages are what we are contending Jerwade.

……………………..ENGLISH…………… …………..Greek Form
Mat 21:19……….“forever”………………… ………“singular”
Mat 6:13………….“forever”……………… ………..“PLURAL”
Heb 1:8……………“forever and ever”…………….“singular/singular”
Gal 1:5…………….“forever and ever”…………….“PLURAL/PLURAL”
Dan 7:18 LXX …“forever and ever”……………..“singular/PLURAL” in LXX
Eph 3:21………….“world without end”……………“singular/PLURAL”
aiona - singular (Matthew 21:19) forever. (Hebrews 1:8) forever ...
aionas - plural (Galatians 1:5) forever and ever. (Matthew 6:13) forever.
aionos
- singular (Hebrews 1:8) ... and ever.

Does this help with the English words, and verses?
(same form)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:54 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top