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Unread 12-03-2010, 10:01 PM
 
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The challenge was for ETer's to prove that there are greek scholars out there that disagree with the list TS.....the burden of proof is on you.
I did .. but since when does answers that doesn't fit UR's Mr. Rodgers neighborhood mean anything.
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Unread 12-03-2010, 10:07 PM
 
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It may well come as a surprise to your Greek scholars since they might come to realize it for the first time.
But they will have to admit, if they are honest, the Greek form is as stated below.

……………………..ENGLISH…………………………..Greek Form
Mat 21:19……….“forever”……………………………“singular”
Mat 6:13………….“forever”…………………………..“PLURAL”
Heb 1:8……………“forever and ever”…………….“singular/singular”
Gal 1:5…………….“forever and ever”…………….“PLURAL/PLURAL”
Dan 7:18 LXX …“forever and ever”……………..“singular/PLURAL” in LXX
Eph 3:21………….“world without end”……………“singular/PLURAL”
It might come as a surprise that those scholars would not approve Bibles Without "Everlasting Punishment".
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Unread 12-03-2010, 10:09 PM
 
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I did .. but since when does answers that doesn't fit UR's Mr. Rodgers neighborhood mean anything.
Where did you prove this? Name the post because I missed it. A greek scholar who disagrees with the list?
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Unread 12-03-2010, 10:10 PM
 
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What you ask would require not only that every greek scholar be found but also that their views could be presented on C-D. There is no way that is remotely feasible. However . . . your task only requires producing ONE greek scholar who disagrees with the list. Since yours is the only feasible proof . . . I suggest you either put up or shut up!
I would suggest you find some crystals and stare at them
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Unread 12-03-2010, 10:12 PM
 
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Where did you prove this? Name the post because I missed it. A greek scholar who disagrees with the list?
Post #40 and it might come as a surprise that those scholars would not approve Bibles Without "Everlasting Punishment".


Now just maybe their knowledge is greater than anyone here
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Unread 12-03-2010, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Default NONE of these scholars from post #40 would disagree

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Post #40
NONE of these scholars from post #40 would disagree with the following Greek forms.
ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THEM!!
They might not have thought of it before, but once they look at the Greek forms for themselves they would have to agree that they are right.

Lancelot Andrewes, John Overall, Hadrian ŕ Saravia, Richard Clarke, John Layfield, Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffrey King, Richard Thomson, William Bedwell,Edward Lively, John Richardson, Lawrence Chaderton, Francis Dillingham, Roger Andrewes, Thomas Harrison, Robert Spaulding, Andrew Bing, John Harding, John Rainolds, Thomas Holland, Richard Kilby, Miles Smith, Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough, William Thorne, Thomas Ravis, George Abbot, Richard Eedes, Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile, John Peryn, Ralph Ravens, John Harmar, John Aglionby, Leonard Hutten, William Barlow, John Spenser, Roger Fenton, Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, Thomas Sanderson, John Duport, William Branthwaite, Jeremiah Radcliffe, Samuel Ward, Andrew Downes, John Bois, Robert Ward, Thomas Bilson, Richard Bancroft.

……………………..ENGLISH…………………………..Greek Form
Mat 21:19……….“forever”……………………………“singular”
Mat 6:13………….“forever”…………………………..“PLURAL”
Heb 1:8……………“forever and ever”…………….“singular/singular”
Gal 1:5…………….“forever and ever”…………….“PLURAL/PLURAL”
Dan 7:18 LXX …“forever and ever”……………..“singular/PLURAL” in LXX
Eph 3:21………….“world without end”……………“singular/PLURAL”

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Unread 12-03-2010, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Post I choose the ones that I perceive glorify God the most

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it might come as a surprise that those scholars would not approve Bibles Without "Everlasting Punishment".
So if you are right about that, then it comes down to which Greek scholars you choose to believe. Yours or mine.
An Analytical Study of Words - Undivided Version

I choose the ones that I perceive glorify God the most.

If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, or annihilate them, then you keep believing that.

But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that, according to my Greek scholars, there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that that is exactly what God is like.

My Greek scholars are Louis Abbott and the many Greek scholars he quotes in chapters three and twelve of
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
An Analytical Study of Words

and

THE SCHOLAR’S CORNER FOR THE STUDY OF BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM at
Scholar's Corner: The Center for Bible studies in Christian Universalism

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Unread 12-03-2010, 10:59 PM
 
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Now just maybe their knowledge is greater than anyone here
aiona - singular
aionas - plural
aionos - singular
aionon - plural

aioni -
singular

aiosin - plural

That may be an incorrect thought...
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Unread 12-03-2010, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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aiona - singular
aionas - plural
aionos - singular
aionon - plural
aioni - singular
aiosin - plural

That may be an incorrect thought...
The correctness of the form usage specifically in the following passages are what we are contending Jerwade.

……………………..ENGLISH…………………………..Greek Form
Mat 21:19……….“forever”……………………………“singular”
Mat 6:13………….“forever”…………………………..“PLURAL”
Heb 1:8……………“forever and ever”…………….“singular/singular”
Gal 1:5…………….“forever and ever”…………….“PLURAL/PLURAL”
Dan 7:18 LXX …“forever and ever”……………..“singular/PLURAL” in LXX
Eph 3:21………….“world without end”……………“singular/PLURAL”
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Unread 12-04-2010, 12:40 AM
 
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The correctness of the form usage specifically in the following passages are what we are contending Jerwade.

……………………..ENGLISH…………………………..Greek Form
Mat 21:19……….“forever”……………………………“singular”
Mat 6:13………….“forever”…………………………..“PLURAL”
Heb 1:8……………“forever and ever”…………….“singular/singular”
Gal 1:5…………….“forever and ever”…………….“PLURAL/PLURAL”
Dan 7:18 LXX …“forever and ever”……………..“singular/PLURAL” in LXX
Eph 3:21………….“world without end”……………“singular/PLURAL”
aiona - singular (Matthew 21:19) forever. (Hebrews 1:8) forever ...
aionas - plural (Galatians 1:5) forever and ever. (Matthew 6:13) forever.
aionos
- singular (Hebrews 1:8) ... and ever.

Does this help with the English words, and verses?
(same form)
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